Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

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Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by gimal » October 13th, 2016, 8:13 pm

I found this site with post "Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics." The link given proves mathematics and science are absurd. What do you think? Do you think "Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics."
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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by Burning ghost » October 14th, 2016, 2:24 am

I think it is absurd to say mathematics and science are absurd and then communicate this to people on a device that exists because of the apparent "absurdity" of mathematics and science.

Also, I think the argument has its root in logic and reason, which have helped us progress "sciences" and allowed great scope and understanding of the world in a causal sense.

Sadly this "poet" has probably not put much thought into this nor studied logic to any degree to better present the point.

There is something to be said about applying abstract language to physical reality. In natural sciences this method has been extremely successful and because of this method, as I said, I can communicate with you now.
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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by Greta » October 14th, 2016, 3:09 am

It's what poets do - a play on words. One plus one equals two. However, one plus one also equals one, as in one single number - the number two. Claiming the disproves mathematics might be a satire of philosophy's penchant for playing with words, or perhaps the poet is making the time-honoured statement that "all is one"?

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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by Felix » October 14th, 2016, 4:28 am

In erotic mathematics, that is the usual solution: 2 become 1. But 2 can also become 3: 1 (male) + 1 (female) > 1 (child) = 3

In conventional mathematics, mental contraceptives are mandatory.
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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by gimal » October 14th, 2016, 7:41 pm

The paper also shows a finite number = a non-finite number thus maths is inconsistent.
Proof mathematics is inconsistent
A finite number is not a non-finite number
And it negation
A finite number= a non-finite number
It be proven that
1= 0.999…
Let be x = 0.999..
10x = 9.999…
10x-x =9.999…- 0.999…
9x=9
x= 1
But that proof thus shows a finite number be equal to a non-finite number thus a contradiction in terms thus mathematics ends in contradiction

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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by Sealight » October 17th, 2016, 10:19 am

gimal wrote:I found this site with post "Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics." The link given proves mathematics and science are absurd. What do you think?
It maybe absurd in general (in global), but it is not in local. Math as a whole thing without bounds is probably absurd, it is not news. Each branch of math is a solid, exact, and valuable thing. For example, 2=2 in Arithmetic, and 2=1 in Banach-Tarski paradox. The last equality is not of an arithmetic type. But once it is treated as an equality in Arithemitc one gets an absurd. This situation is pretty common for non-math people, for poets in particular, to mess up different concepts in math and get absurd. :)

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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by Present awareness » October 17th, 2016, 11:36 am

The flaw in the above proof is if x=.999 then 9x would equal 8.991 and not 9, as shown. Subtracting .999 from 10x, does not diminish x's value in any way.
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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by gimal » October 17th, 2016, 7:03 pm

The flaw in the above proof is if x=.999 then 9x would equal 8.991 and not 9, as shown. Subtracting .999 from 10x, does not diminish x's value in any way.
there is no flaw in the proof.
Let be x = 0.999..
10x = 9.999…
10x-x =9.999…- 0.999…
9x=9
x= 1
But that proof thus shows a finite number be equal to a non-finite number thus a contradiction in terms thus mathematics ends in contradiction

-- Updated Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:12 pm to add the following --
Each branch of math is a solid, exact, and valuable thing... This situation is pretty common for non-math people, for poets in particular, to mess up different concepts in math and get absurd.
any one can see non-maths people or maths people or poets.
It be said that 1+1=2 be a certain truth
Blah
1 number + 1 number = 1 number
1 number (2) +1 number (2) =1 number (4)

So 1 +1=2
And
1 + 1 = 1
Thus a contradiction in mathematics

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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by Present awareness » October 17th, 2016, 7:32 pm

9 multiplied by .999 ( the value of x) does not equal 9.

1 apple, plus 1 apple = 2 apples You may call it "one" group of two apples perhaps or two apples represented by one number (the number two) but it doesn't change the reality of the situation.
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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by gimal » October 17th, 2016, 7:39 pm

9 multiplied by .999 ( the value of x) does not equal 9.

the maths does not lie
as can be seen there is no flaw in the proof.
Let be x = 0.999..
10x = 9.999…
10x-x =9.999…- 0.999…
9x=9
x= 1
But that proof thus shows a finite number be equal to a non-finite number thus a contradiction in terms thus mathematics ends in contradiction
1 apple, plus 1 apple = 2 apples You may call it "one" group of two apples perhaps or two apples represented by one number (the number two) but it doesn't change the reality of the situation.
the maths does not lie.
It be said that 1+1=2 be a certain truth
but
1+1=1
1 number +1 number=1number
It be said that 1+1=2 be a certain truth
Blah
1 number + 1 number = 1 number
1 number (2) +1 number (2) =1 number (4)

So 1 +1=2
And
1 + 1 = 1
Thus a contradiction in mathematics

-- Updated Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:18 pm to add the following --
Each view contains within it its negation as all views end in meaninglessness
W.H. Newton-Smith, THE RATIONALITY OF SCIENCE, 1981, p. 229

Thus once we admit an inconsistency into our theory we have to admit everything …
I started a post at.
Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics
onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/viewtop ... mp;t=14285

no one has disproved the proofs given by the poet that maths and science are absurd.

you can read the poets paper here.
all things are possible
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In this post


the poet uses this absurdity to argue.


“W.H. Newton-Smith, THE RATIONALITY OF SCIENCE, 1981, p. 229 states
…if a theory is inconsistent it will contain every sentence of the language …

Thus once we admit an inconsistency into our theory we have to admit everything …
thus with the absurdity of mathematics and science.
The system of mathematics contains everything it containes each sentence of the theory's language and its negation ....it is possible to prove anything and everything it is possible to prove Fermat's Last Theorem and it is possible to prove the negation of Fermat's Last Theorem

The system of science contains everything it containes each sentence of the theory's language and its negation.... It means it is possible to prove Einsteins theory of relativity and it is possible to prove the negation of Einsteins theory of relativity and there is a negation the Brans–Dicke theory
the poet concludes
Each view contains within it its negation as all views end in meaninglessness ... Thus once we admit an inconsistency into our theory we have to admit everything

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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by Mercury » October 18th, 2016, 1:34 am

It should read:

1 number (1) + 1 number (1) = 1 number (2).

if, by the same logic:
1 number (2) + 1 number (2) = 1 number (4).

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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by gimal » October 18th, 2016, 1:43 am

It should read:

1 number (1) + 1 number (1) = 1 number (2).

if, by the same logic:

1 number (2) + 1 number (2) = 1 number (4).
either way the poet has proven maths ends in absurdity.
thus
Thus once we admit an inconsistency into our theory we have to admit everything
thus
The system of mathematics contains everything it containes each sentence of the theory's language and its negation ....it is possible to prove anything and everything it is possible to prove Fermat's Last Theorem and it is possible to prove the negation of Fermat's Last Theorem
Each view contains within it its negation as all views end in meaninglessness ... Thus once we admit an inconsistency into our theory we have to admit everything

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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by Mercury » October 18th, 2016, 1:50 am

Quite right. There's no truth! Only if that's right then it's also wrong. You see the problem!

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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by gimal » October 18th, 2016, 1:56 am

Quite right. There's no truth! Only if that's right then it's also wrong. You see the problem!
no problem at all
Thus once we admit an inconsistency into our theory we have to admit everything
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as the poet says.
Now with the inconsistency of mathematics and science all possible realities/theories and their negation are now possible and equally valid Thus we have now that all theories are now valid and the meanings these theories give to the observation are all valid

-- Updated Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:03 am to add the following --
Quite right. There's no truth! Only if that's right then it's also wrong. You see the problem!
to be precise the poet is not talking about truth he is talking about validity.

Valid
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/valid
4. Logic
a. Containing premises from which the conclusion may logically be derived: a valid argument.
b. Correctly inferred or deduced from a premise: a valid conclusion.

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Re: Australia’s leading erotic poet disproves mathematics

Post by Mercury » October 18th, 2016, 10:09 am

That doesn't make sense at all. You quote the quote:
Now with the inconsistency of mathematics and science all possible realities/theories and their negation are now possible and equally valid.
I can see why all possible realities are possible, but by definition they cannot be equally valid. Some possibilities occur, and others not - even though they are possible. Surely something that occurs in reality is more valid than something that might only have possibly occurred. This infers at least three distinct and unequal levels of validity:

valid and actual,
possibly valid but not actual,
and invalid - neither possible nor actual.

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