What is Artificial Intelligence?

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Atreyu » October 18th, 2017, 8:44 pm

Only a few men can be rich. Only the few can be great athletes. Only the few will ever master quantum physics. And this is a statistical law.

Similarly, only the few can move towards a more objective understanding of the world. It can be done, but the difficulty involved ensures that only a few will ever succeed, just as in the more trivial examples above.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Chili » October 18th, 2017, 9:03 pm

Atreyu wrote:Only a few men can be rich. Only the few can be great athletes. Only the few will ever master quantum physics. And this is a statistical law.

Similarly, only the few can move towards a more objective understanding of the world. It can be done, but the difficulty involved ensures that only a few will ever succeed, just as in the more trivial examples above.
So you view psychology to be related to "a more objective understanding of the world" then?

Certainly that is what eliminativst neurobiologists will say are up to.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Synthesis » October 19th, 2017, 1:36 pm

Atreyu wrote:Only a few men can be rich. Only the few can be great athletes. Only the few will ever master quantum physics. And this is a statistical law.

Similarly, only the few can move towards a more objective understanding of the world. It can be done, but the difficulty involved ensures that only a few will ever succeed, just as in the more trivial examples above.
Yes, everything knowable is relative, but this is not at issue. What is is the idea that you are essentially comparing [let's use something like the, Intelligence Quotient, as an example] somebody with an IQ of 2 with another with an IQ of 4. Yes, the later is "more intelligent," but that makes virtually no difference.

The same logic would apply to those who have a "more objective understanding" of the world, e.g., the astrophysicist whom believe s/he has a more complete understanding of universal forces than does the average Joe.

The human mind is simply incapable of understand much of anything [and thank God for small favors!]. Imagine the havoc mankind might unleash on this poor planet if He was actually able to figure things out!

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Atreyu » October 23rd, 2017, 3:59 pm

Chili wrote: So you view psychology to be related to "a more objective understanding of the world" then?
Well, of course. All branches of science should move us towards a more objective understanding of things. And psychology is the most important branch of all in this respect. If one cannot be objective about oneself, how can one be more objective about the world in general?
Chili wrote: Certainly that is what eliminativst neurobiologists will say are up to.
Yes, but one cannot be nearly as objective by studying physiology as one could be by studying psychology. Psychology is the study of the most basic tools (his own cognitive/perceptive apparatus) that the neurologist is using in his own particular studies.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 9th, 2018, 11:12 am

There was a TV series with Jacob Bronowski given in 1973 on the BBC called The Ascent of Man and its final episode can be seen at https://archive.org/details/theascentof ... gchildhood in which Bronowski, towards the end of the episode, startlingly speaks very clearly to the present time of the basic dispute between science and government and is somewhat related to the nature of artificial intelligence and the possible collapse of civilization which is much more apparent today. It is well worth seeing.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by LuckyR » May 9th, 2018, 12:57 pm

Jan Sand wrote:
May 9th, 2018, 11:12 am
There was a TV series with Jacob Bronowski given in 1973 on the BBC called The Ascent of Man and its final episode can be seen at https://archive.org/details/theascentof ... gchildhood in which Bronowski, towards the end of the episode, startlingly speaks very clearly to the present time of the basic dispute between science and government and is somewhat related to the nature of artificial intelligence and the possible collapse of civilization which is much more apparent today. It is well worth seeing.
What is your synopsis and what do you think of it?
"As usual... it depends."

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 9th, 2018, 1:10 pm

The film had a lot to say about many worthwhile observations. A synopsis is a few words to cover a general area but all I can say generally is that the opinions mde sense to me and were wotrh the time to observe.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by LuckyR » May 9th, 2018, 1:20 pm

Jan Sand wrote:
May 9th, 2018, 1:10 pm
The film had a lot to say about many worthwhile observations. A synopsis is a few words to cover a general area but all I can say generally is that the opinions mde sense to me and were wotrh the time to observe.
I am much more interested in your opinions than a random piece of production.
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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by ooPKoo » May 9th, 2018, 4:21 pm

Sorry to bother, I'm new to the forum

But do we have a thread where we actually TRY to define AI?

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 9th, 2018, 8:54 pm

My opinion in recommending a video is that the video carries a message I find worth understanding. It is not at all random. Beyond that. it is not in my interest to convince anybody of anything. I merely indicate what I find worthy.

Artificial intelligence seems to me the ability to independently seek and discover worthwhile relationships out of an inherent intent to seek out some sort of valuable meanings. In general, computers derive intent from the directions within their software. AI seems to be able to create its own software after being directed to respond to an input outlining a much more general intent.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 10th, 2018, 10:57 pm

Much of the power systems of society are devoted to see to it that the bulk of humanity does not understand the world so that the mass of the population can be directed to enrich the few in charge. A change in that would enrich understanding immensely.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by ThomasHobbes » May 11th, 2018, 6:26 am

AI is a complex set of fixed algorithmic responses to know stimuli.
Whilst it tries to mimic dynamic and organic intelligences, it has no ability to offer novel and innovative responses.
Without volition, intention and a living sense AI can only be programmed to pretend intelligence but is holly limited to the imagination and capabilities of the humans that design it.
Unpredictable responses are not the result of invention, but of a random number generator. Otherwise responses are wholly predictable and replicable.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 11th, 2018, 7:33 am

Although random number generation is not excluded from mechanical learning sources, intellectual epiphanies very frequently evolve out of the comprehensions derived from higher order abstractions and how they reveal relations between areas unsuspected out of inabilities of human inspections to range through massive data collections with reasonable velocity. The inherent speed of mechanical perceptions far outruns human capabilities and this alone has and will in the future, as AI develops, produce unexpected understandings in surprising and highly valuable new areas.

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by ThomasHobbes » May 11th, 2018, 12:19 pm

Jan Sand wrote:
May 11th, 2018, 7:33 am
The inherent speed of mechanical perceptions far outruns human capabilities and this alone has and will in the future, as AI develops, produce unexpected understandings in surprising and highly valuable new areas.
Will it?
have you as time machine? Or are you a seer?

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Re: What is Artificial Intelligence?

Post by Jan Sand » May 11th, 2018, 12:56 pm

See https://medium.com/thrive-global/the-hu ... 80cb156541 The article indicates that the brain operates on a parallel computing base that can operate more flexibly than current computers but electric circuits have the potential to operate at the speed of light which is hugely faster. It seems reasonable that innovative circuitry with, perhaps quantum capabilities have a reasonable chance of utilizing massive data sources to move well past neuronic systems.

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