What is the link between beauty and the law of conservation of energy?

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What is the link between beauty and the law of conservation of energy?

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What is the link between beauty and the law of conservation of energy? It is a philosophical question. Can anyone see it? :D
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The universe and life as self organizing systems tend toward the state of least action, an this is fundamental to The existence of being. The structural manifestation of this energy conservation directs us toward the state of least action of being, the highest spiritual state. In other words, the structural manifestation of conservation of energy is suggestive of the transcendental.

Or something like that. Just a wild guess.
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Or perhaps because beauty is associated with symmetry and symmetry is associated with minimal energy states. Symmetry is associated with simplicity - being able to describe a relatively large physical system with a relatively small description. Perhaps simplicity is beautiful because it implies order and the brains that recognize beauty are themselves expressions of order. Perhaps we find things beautiful if we recognize them as essential to our own existence.
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growthhormone wrote: January 30th, 2018, 12:08 am What is the link between beauty and the law of conservation of energy? It is a philosophical question. Can anyone see it? :D
See what? The question, or the answer?
"As usual... it depends."
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growthhormone wrote: January 30th, 2018, 12:08 am What is the link between beauty and the law of conservation of energy? It is a philosophical question. Can anyone see it? :D
Sleep is the link. Sleep conserves energy and sleep can be beautiful. Although I have a feeling that your answer will be even more ridiculous than mine.
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Steve3007 wrote: January 30th, 2018, 4:14 am Or perhaps because beauty is associated with symmetry and symmetry is associated with minimal energy states. Symmetry is associated with simplicity - being able to describe a relatively large physical system with a relatively small description. Perhaps simplicity is beautiful because it implies order and the brains that recognize beauty are themselves expressions of order. Perhaps we find things beautiful if we recognize them as essential to our own existence.
"beauty is associated with symmetry and symmetry"

Beauty has nothing to do with symmetry or asymmetry.
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Beauty has nothing to do with symmetry or asymmetry.
I disagree.
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growthhormone wrote: January 31st, 2018, 9:52 pm "beauty is associated with symmetry and symmetry"

Beauty has nothing to do with symmetry or asymmetry.
Even physicists see beauty in the symmetry of the equations of physics.
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Many people say they think the sunset is beautiful. In what way could a sunset be said to be symmetrical?
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Albert Tatlock wrote: February 1st, 2018, 2:04 pm Many people say they think the sunset is beautiful. In what way could a sunset be said to be symmetrical?
It's not, but that is irrelevant. The claim was "Beauty has nothing to do with symmetry," not that beauty requires symmetry.
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Albert Tatlock wrote: February 1st, 2018, 2:04 pm Many people say they think the sunset is beautiful. In what way could a sunset be said to be symmetrical?
There's no there there. Beauty has more to do with the firing of neurons in various parts of the brain when certain patterns are detected, than physics and simplistic equations.
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Frost wrote: February 1st, 2018, 2:18 pm
Albert Tatlock wrote: February 1st, 2018, 2:04 pm In what way could a sunset be said to be symmetrical?
It's not,
No, I thought not.
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Frost wrote: February 1st, 2018, 10:55 am
growthhormone wrote: January 31st, 2018, 9:52 pm "beauty is associated with symmetry and symmetry"

Beauty has nothing to do with symmetry or asymmetry.
Even physicists see beauty in the symmetry of the equations of physics.
The most reliable thing to support a theory/concept is fact not any human being including physicists. There are too many facts that discredit the notion of symmetry being the foundation of beauty
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growthhormone wrote: February 1st, 2018, 9:23 pm
Frost wrote: February 1st, 2018, 10:55 am

Even physicists see beauty in the symmetry of the equations of physics.
The most reliable thing to support a theory/concept is fact not any human being including physicists. There are too many facts that discredit the notion of symmetry being the foundation of beauty
Such as?

Saying it is not the foundation is not the same as saying it has nothing to do with beauty.
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growthhormone wrote: January 30th, 2018, 12:08 am What is the link between beauty and the law of conservation of energy? It is a philosophical question. Can anyone see it? :D
That's easy!

The law of conservation of energy is a beautiful theory!
The Pattern Paradigm - yer can't beat it!
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