Is Art Beautiful?
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Take care friend
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To quote directly:
The point being that “truth” (presented for simplicity as “science”) and “beauty” (presented fro simplicity as “art”) cannot be altered by political machinations.... The political legislator can bar the way to its domain, but he cannot rule withi it.
As to trh title of the OP art need not be classed as beautiful. And I’d, again, refer to Oscar Wilde’s view that “art is useless”; and again thr context of those words needs to be understood (refer to preface to “The Picture of Dorian Grey”)
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Political machinations such as the Nazi and the Stalinist misconceptions had immense effects on the art of their time and many very capable artists of all kinds took considerable interest in politics. Orwell and Swift and H.G.Wells and Bernard Shaw and Arthur Miller and Picasso and many, many others were deeply involved in politics.
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Political machinations such as the Nazi and the Stalinist misconceptions had immense effects on the art of their time and many very capable artists of all kinds took considerable interest in politics. Orwell and Swift and H.G.Wells and Bernard Shaw and Arthur Miller and Pasternak and Bertolt Brecht and Pablo Picasso and George Grosz and many, many others were deeply involved in politics. Art concerns many aspects of life as does politics and the mix of the two is no novelty
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I’ll assume you didn’t understand what Schiller said and reiterate it ...
A political regime may or may not prevent certain types of art from bleeding into the public sphere (by destruction or by censoring.) This does not effect the essence of “art” though. What is appealing to people aesthetically will remain appealing, people will still be moved by music of a cerrtain quality more than other; in this respect Schiller made a comparison with science becasue that too, regardless of political interference, will remain the same - hence the endeavor of science to this day being barred by certain regimes becasue it doesn;t fit into their world view (flatearthers and those that deny evolution.)
There is an innate “truth” that is untouched by mere rational analysis. This is present in the curious nature of the scientific endeavor and in aesthetic appreciation.
I would not say Napolean was an artist anymore than I’d say Picasso was a conquerer, but I could for effect. We don’t judge a painting he amount of paint used just like we don’t judge the value of scientific theory by is appeal.
Art is an expression of emotion for sure, but so is punching someone in the face. We tend not to refer riots as “art,” but by your logic we could. I would rather not conflate things and make them fuzzy simply becasue it is easier to do so, but I most certainly wouldn’t say we shouldn’t occassionally try to push, prod and poke at the outer reaches of our conceptual understanding - and again here art and science share a common theme, but I am not suggesting they are ubiquitious or of any great valdity beyond mere human experience (the MERE being all I know.)
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Art is a form of emotional expression isn’t it? Is it the only form of emotional expression? Nope. There is a typo above, it should’ve said “punching someone in the face isn’t art ...”
Maybe someone else can point out to me why you’re avoiding to address what I’ve written and instead chosen to paint me as someone with a black and white distinction toward everything in life? I’ve said as much already (see last line of previous post you just responded to) yet you consider such a position as “fanatical”? You cannot have it both ways.
Nothing you’ve said above seems to understand Schiller’s words. Your create an argument that doesn’t exist.
You’ve opened up a discussion about science and art and I bolstered it. Surely you spotted that? We agree, for the most part, yet you wish to look for one fault and make out that that one difference of opinion means we’re totally opposed in every view.
Did I miss something? i am really puzzled. We agree that art and science share commonalities right? I then added that looking at everything through one lens, although useful, is not always optimal. Surely you can get onboard with that?
Then I’ve said that art is an expression of emotion, or more precisely made to provoke certain emotions and even push conceptual boundries. Agree or not?
Is art beautiful? It needn’t be “beautiful”, but to return to Wilde’s comments from the preface of PoDG (the last few lines):
“When critics disagree the artist is in accord with himself.
We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely.
Art is quite useless.”
I’ve not seen a better expression of what “art” is than Mr. Wilde’s tbh. If you’ve not read the preface to that wonderful book I cannot recommend that you do so enough.
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I’ll it to someone else thanks, this is going nowhere fast.
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Wrong. You’ve made out I am saying something I am not saying, then played the victim, then I tried to set out a meaningful discussion with several points and you took my singular remark about emotion and art as if based on a monopole even though I expressly stated art as “even pushes conceptual boundaries”.
That said, to say some people think a work of art is “great” yet “devoid of emotion” is plain stupidity. Given that you’re obviously one of the eldest people alive on the planet I can only assume senility has kicked it rather than you being here merely to troll or present yourself as some aged sage of “art.”
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