Philosophy of Entertainment & Evolution of Virtual Reality

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Philosophy of Entertainment & Evolution of Virtual Reality

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This is going to be a heavy topic - take it seriously. Recently and for no other reason than that I was getting bored with the science fiction I could find on the internet and because some post I saw stated there were now porno sites {free} not infected with spyware and because this is a subject i had lost interest in many years ago when I was much younger, I clicked on one of the recommended sites......Only a real philosopher would feel a need to comment and for awhile I suppressed this urge thinking most here would not be interested and the subject has been covered here before. But while I found some {not much} of what I saw to be at least slightly exciting and even aesthetically pleasing {occasionally} some of what I saw made me wonder why it was legal? - should people be allowed to torture each other, possibly even sustaining physical harm? Are there no limits to what can be shown as art? The Supreme Court years ago more or less gave up on defining obscenity and gave a green light to pornographers with the possible only exception involving minors under 18. And then last night I saw something that has now motivated me to post. What I saw, and found most interesting, was three people, two females and one male engaged in {I will not describe the acts as it may be inappropriate} whose net result can only be described as pure unmitigated lust! Yes, I have no doubt that they were enjoying themselves and I found the whole twenty minute show very entertaining. Here i saw something that I never experienced and might not even want to experience - And yet I did in some ways experience it, as an observer. And then I got to thinking what do we experience in entertainment? When we see a mobster aren't we for a moment a mobster, hoodlum, cowboy, priest, politician, or starship captain. Soon as computer intelligence evolves we my soon be able to experience a 'virtual reality' that will feel real - We will be able to experience states of existence beyond our wildest imaginations. Should there be limits to this? Should there be some controls over the 'cyber jungle'?

Recently two adolescent girls stabbed and almost killed one of their girlfriends because of an internet character called the 'Slenderman". And I might ask how many other cases like this are occurring? How many women are being raped and/or possibly murdered because 'BDSM" {bondage and sadomasochism} sites are promoting torture [I don't care that some people want some pain but there must be a line that distinguishes it from torture that may be dangerous and harmful} of women for someones sick sense of art and pleasure?

I like erotic art and am not against what some might call pornography - But as virtual reality now becomes more sophisticated I ask you as a civilized human being, should there be limits? "What is the law? Are we not Men?"

And should there be some limits to what is shown and produced as 'entertainment"???
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And should there be some limits to what is shown and produced as 'entertainment"???
American-style Capitalism replies very enthusiastically in the negative. Why limit profits if there is more money to be made? What a sin it is to leave business opportunities unexploited! :shock:

There are many people who will do *anything* for money, and our modern Western culture is a witness to this.

The god of most men is their stomach (greed/appetites).
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Theophane wrote:
And should there be some limits to what is shown and produced as 'entertainment"???
American-style Capitalism replies very enthusiastically in the negative. Why limit profits if there is more money to be made? What a sin it is to leave business opportunities unexploited! :shock:

There are many people who will do *anything* for money, and our modern Western culture is a witness to this.

The god of most men is their stomach (greed/appetites).
Intelligent response - I agree with most everything you said. But this is a broad subject and I don't think we can cover it all. So what I'm trying to focus on is the one thing I saw which disturbed even my live and let live somewhat liberal view point. Should it be legal to watch people being 'tortured' for profit? Now I'm not knocking all the BDSM [bondage and sado-masochism} group even though a psychologist might say they are??? But for the most part even though these weird {by normal standards} people are getting some pleasure from inflicting some pain....Some might say 'different strokes for different folks' {pun intended} and some participants will actually describe afterwards why they enjoyed it !?!?!

But some of these videos cross a certain line - humans are actually being tortured, not subjected to some pain, but actually torture to an extent where one might wonder if they are incurring physical injury and harm. Forget about censorship, I'm not for that, but shouldn't people be protected from torture for profit, art, or whatever reason ?????
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