When Is Art, Art, And When Is Art, Nonsense.

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When Is Art, Art, And When Is Art, Nonsense.

Post by TigerNinja » February 28th, 2018, 5:37 pm

(Forgive me, I still use bing)

Is this art: https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxhist=0

Is this art: https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ay&first=1

Now after looking at both of those, tell me the difference. Personally, the only difference I see is a change of vibrancy of colours and detail. At what point, does art lose its function as art. Art, due to its abstract nature, is such an indefinable thing, and therefore, there is a clear position of relativity with what is art. Beauty (I'm making another topic, named "Is Art Beautiful?"), like art, is relative, therefore at what point does art lose its status as art. Personally, I believe that art doesn't exist to begin with. It is just a certain term that we apply to certain things on a canvas or wall that seem either pleasing to the senses or have vibrant colours with particular detail. Its like with language and words (I'm making yet another topic, "Is Language Art?" and "What Is Language?"[General Philosophy]), whereby we assign certain meanings to certain symbols. These meanings then get ingrained in our head and we 'know the meaning of them'. They have no inherent meaning, solely the meaning we apply to them that we interpret. Someone in China who doesn't know English would find this just as complex and in-understandable (for lack of a better term) as we find Chinese (Mandarin or Cantonese, I am lost with both due to their use of symbols I have never learnt to pronounce).

So in conclusion, at what point is art no longer art. At what point does it just become an ugly splodge and mess of colours. For example, would you consider "Red over Black" art?
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Re: When Is Art, Art, And When Is Art, Nonsense.

Post by Eduk » March 7th, 2018, 5:22 am

They are both clearly art? What you seem to be asking is if they are both good art?

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Re: When Is Art, Art, And When Is Art, Nonsense.

Post by Burning ghost » March 7th, 2018, 1:47 pm

I would say intent and perspective.

By this I mean that we can view something with an "artistic eye," yet by doing so we do not strictly "produce art." I wouldn't conflate "beauty" with "art" either, because art can be ugly and still be art - if someone wishes to disgust with their artwork and does so they've done "good" art.

I've already expressed my opinion about "conceptual art," so you know how I feel about that.

As for language I was tempted to comment on that thread, but I have to draw the line somewhere. If we're going to start to call all means of communication art then we may as well stop using the term if we're willing to spread it so damn thin across every category of human life - there are aesthetic and emotional qualities embedded in all parts of human life, but I don't think that makes all human life about "art," but if you're an extremely artsy person, and particularly eccentric, then you may well insist that EVERYTHING is "art" - to me that would be nothing more than a semantic befuddlement; albeit one I could sympathize with to a reasonable degree.

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Re: When Is Art, Art, And When Is Art, Nonsense.

Post by LuckyR » March 8th, 2018, 1:11 am

TigerNinja wrote:
February 28th, 2018, 5:37 pm
(Forgive me, I still use bing)

Is this art: https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxhist=0

Is this art: https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ay&first=1

Now after looking at both of those, tell me the difference. Personally, the only difference I see is a change of vibrancy of colours and detail. At what point, does art lose its function as art. Art, due to its abstract nature, is such an indefinable thing, and therefore, there is a clear position of relativity with what is art. Beauty (I'm making another topic, named "Is Art Beautiful?"), like art, is relative, therefore at what point does art lose its status as art. Personally, I believe that art doesn't exist to begin with. It is just a certain term that we apply to certain things on a canvas or wall that seem either pleasing to the senses or have vibrant colours with particular detail. Its like with language and words (I'm making yet another topic, "Is Language Art?" and "What Is Language?"[General Philosophy]), whereby we assign certain meanings to certain symbols. These meanings then get ingrained in our head and we 'know the meaning of them'. They have no inherent meaning, solely the meaning we apply to them that we interpret. Someone in China who doesn't know English would find this just as complex and in-understandable (for lack of a better term) as we find Chinese (Mandarin or Cantonese, I am lost with both due to their use of symbols I have never learnt to pronounce).

So in conclusion, at what point is art no longer art. At what point does it just become an ugly splodge and mess of colours. For example, would you consider "Red over Black" art?

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Re: When Is Art, Art, And When Is Art, Nonsense.

Post by Name Is Unnecessary » May 21st, 2018, 6:14 am

Art is art when there is someone to evaluate it. Someone may evaluate a hole on a piece of paper. Matter of interpretation.

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