Country music, is it OK?

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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by Harbal » June 9th, 2015, 4:34 pm

Madera wrote:I did.
So, you worked it out

BTW. See you soon. :twisted:

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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by Madera » June 9th, 2015, 5:20 pm

:P quote="Harbal"]
Madera wrote:I did.
So, you worked it out

BTW. See you soon. :twisted:[/quote]

:roll:

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Music aside, how are you doing since you have been so quiet?

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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by 3uGH7D4MLj » July 1st, 2015, 12:57 pm

Harbal wrote:Can country music ever be justified and, if so, under what circumstances? Most of us would find the world a much poorer place without music. Think of the void we would create if we removed Beethoven, Bach, Miles Davis, Gershwin, The Beatles, The Osmonds (?) and so on and so on, from our cultural landscape. We probably never even thing what life would be like without our own particular music, for, like love, friendship and all the things that are fundamental to our spiritual wellbeing, we take it for granted that it will just be there. Now, just imagine, that this pleasure we, so called, normal people get from the aforementioned sources could only be accessible to you by listening to country music. Would it be right to deny these unfortunates something that we, ourselves, would find so hard to live without? I don't think it would. No matter how distasteful it might be to us, should we impose our prejudices on others who, through no fault of their own, don't know any better? Obviously, there have to be checks and safeguards to prevent the general public from unwittingly being exposed to this music but that could be achieved, given the will. I realise there is a strong counter argument to my view on this subject and I haven't even attempted to address the Jim Reeves question but that's a whole topic on it's own. What do you think, am I being too liberal?
No, we should all be so liberal. The question is about class and politics, intellectualism and anti-intellectualism, the right to be bigoted against "rednecks." It would be good if we could stop being bigoted against the guns-and-religion crowd. Maybe if we challenge wrongheaded ideas, not people? Country music is fine.

I don't listen because I find it a little too bland and pat, without ambiguity, but it's fine, JMO. Wait, are you including bluegrass?
fair to say

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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by Alec Smart » July 1st, 2015, 1:01 pm

3uGH7D4MLj wrote: Country music is fine.
Steady on, there may be children reading this.

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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by 3uGH7D4MLj » July 5th, 2015, 1:11 pm

Alec Smart wrote:
3uGH7D4MLj wrote: Country music is fine.
Steady on, there may be children reading this.
Mmm, hide the kids.

But are we talking about an indicator of where someone stands on the Prius <--> Pickuptruck continuum? Or am I getting that wrong?
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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by WhatAmIDoing » July 23rd, 2015, 8:51 pm

In reply to the OP:

I've found that all genres have a good number of both lyrically and instrumentally talented artists, although I am not 100% sure about country music. I know that most (mainstream) country music is inherently meaningless, as is most popular music, but there very well could be some musically proficient artists in the genre that are true musicians. But, since I'm unsure of any of their existences, I'll continue to dislike country music.

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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by Ambauer » October 9th, 2015, 12:04 pm

I have to say that just like I enjoy reading a Buzzfeed article from time to time rather than Kant, that I do enjoy listening to country music rather than something more refined or pure (say the Beatles). I don't know, just like there is something beautiful about reading "22 Cats Who Just Want You To Stop" on Buzzfeed, I'd argue that there is intrinsic beauty in country music. There is just something beautiful that happens when you're relaxing outside on a hot summer day with a cold beer in your hand and Toby Keith comes on the radio.

However, I guess the deeper philosophical question here is, "Is 'good' music objective or subjective?" It seems like you are making an argument for "good" music being objective. However, I think there is a stronger argument for "good" music being subjective. I could be proven wrong!

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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by LuckyR » October 15th, 2015, 5:51 pm

Music's importance for it's listener is not contained within the music itself, rather it is measured by the level of emotional output from the listener. This is intrinsic to the listener (not the music) and of course varies greatly from individual to individual.
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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by Alec Smart » October 20th, 2015, 4:55 pm

Ambauer wrote: I'd argue that there is intrinsic beauty in country music.
I'd argue that what you take to be "intrinsic beauty" in the music is really bad taste in the listener.
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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by Greta » October 20th, 2015, 6:38 pm

While it's fun to tease country music fans, when they allow the instruments to shine and you have creative musicians country-based music can be great, like James Taylor's Country Road live, where he "gives the drummer some" and the drummer, Steve Gadd (one of the greats), provides some incredible tension and release that drives the crowd crazy:
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I get tingles every time I hear the climactic passage!
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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by Jklint » October 20th, 2015, 9:12 pm

I prefer classical music with first class soloists. This one can make your hair stand on end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoT66v4EHg

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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by Greta » October 20th, 2015, 9:49 pm

Yes, that does give one paws for thought.Sufurlative!

I like me a bit of kulcha myself:
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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by 3uGH7D4MLj » October 20th, 2015, 10:54 pm

Music of the the African diaspora. There's no stopping it.
fair to say

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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by Belinda » October 21st, 2015, 1:54 pm

Isn't country music a little too repetitive in form ?

One can have a refrain but when there is no variation between the repetitions I find my attention wandering. Maybe country music varies in quality and I have heard only the more banal sort.
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Re: Country music, is it OK?

Post by Alec Smart » October 22nd, 2015, 4:47 pm

Belinda wrote:Maybe country music varies in quality and I have heard only the more banal sort.
Country music does vary in quality. It can be just plain bad or, at the other end of the scale, it can be absolutely terrible.
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