New thought on Human Purpose

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Re: New thought on Human Purpose

Post Number:#16  Postby George1949 » March 4th, 2017, 5:10 pm

What Nonsense by apparent eggheads with no common sense.

Get a grip!

Your use of the word "involute" is comical at best.

The Torus model of the Universe is just more BS gibberish.

The universe is very simple. It exists and you are in it, a very small part of it called "Earth".
evolute
[ev-uh-loot or, esp. British, ee-vuh-]
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Word Origin
noun, Geometry.
1. the locus of the centers of curvature of, or the envelope of the normals to, another curve.
Compare involute (def 5).


Man does not nor has ever evoluted from anything.

Where are you kids, and I am giving you the benefit of doubt as to be very uneducated and young to make such outlandish stupid statements.

Evolution has been fully explained as early as

Charles Robert Darwin, FRS FRGS FLS FZS[2] (/ˈdɑːrwɪn/;[3] 12 February 1809 – 19 April 1882) was an English naturalist, geologist and biologist,[4] best known for his contributions to the science of evolution.[I] He established that all species of life have descended over time from common ancestors,[5] and in a joint publication with Alfred Russel Wallace introduced his scientific theory that this branching pattern of evolution resulted from a process that he called natural selection, in which the struggle for existence has a similar effect to the artificial selection involved in selective breeding.[6]

So again, Cogito, ergo sum, ( Latin: “I think, therefore I am) dictum coined by the French philosopher René Descartes in his Discourse on Method (1637) as a first step in demonstrating the attainability of certain knowledge. It is the only statement to survive the test of his methodic doubt.
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Re: New thought on Human Purpose

Post Number:#17  Postby Rr6 » March 11th, 2017, 11:47 am

Rr6 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCqDOnWa88I

To be clear, I do not agree with this torus model of Universe video but I understand approach i.e I understand where their coming from with it.
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We involute in order to evolute.
The egg must invert to become full fledged critter.
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"To be clear" was clearly stated. .." I do not agree with this torus model of Universe video but I understand approach i.e I understand where their coming from with it."...

I.e. I understand some of the logic being implied in the video I posted. Ex involution into the inner negative curvature--- into the hole side ---- of torus would be gravitational contraction. It may even state that in the video.

Evolution out of the hole and into the outer positive curvature of torus is meant to be expansion.

Here is the thing, nobody knows what shape can be assigned to our finite, occupied space Universe. Many of those who claim this or that model of Universe is "gibberish" have no alternative model.

Unlike those who offer us only negative claims--- in regards to shape of Universe --- I actually offer possibilities that follow rational, logical common sense scenarios.

Even before I developed my Space ( ) - Time ^v - Space )( essentials of Universe, I've offered the following link to a Greg Egan animations, that, I've always stated, that comes closet to representing what I believe the graviational, undulating surface of Universe looks like.

http://www.gregegan.net/SCHILD/SCHILD.html

Humans single digestive tract means that humans have toroidal / torus aspect topology.

Humans are obviously more complex than a single torus, however, we should not deny truth when and where exists. This is a philosophy forum and search for truth is key to philosophy. imho

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Re: New thought on Human Purpose

Post Number:#18  Postby Wayne92587 » March 21st, 2017, 3:05 pm

In the Beginning there was only the Spirit, the Mind of God, there being only Darkness upon the Deep in the Beginning.

The Mind, the Spirit of God existing as state of Nothingness, as a Great Void.

It can not be said that God was confused, chaotic, God being All Knowing, however there being Nothing to Know; it can only be said the mind of God existed as Pure Unadulterated Energy, Passion, excitement, while giving thought to nothing.

God's Passion, the mind of God drawing a Blank, only to become more agitated, the Motion of God, God's passion existing as an insignificant innate, inner motion existing without displacement, God being motionless.

Logically speaking, even though being very passionate, God's Motion was not out of place, was not measurable as to angular momentum, as to velocity of speed and direction.

In Fact the Existence or Non-existence of God has always been Uncertain.

In the Beginning, the mind, God's Passion, was unmoving, had no angular momentum, was not off track, was and is still not measurable as to location and Momentum, in Space-Time, the existence or nob-existence of God remaining Uncertain.

Due to the excitement of God's Passion, God's First thought, without intent, burst forth as a Singularity, the Reality of First Cause having Dual Quality, first being an Affect only to be transfigured, converted the Reality of First Cause, which as in the butterfly effect caused the creation of a system of Chaos which made manifest the Heavens and the Earth, the Universe, the Reality of Everything that exists as a Material, Physical Reality.

The Mind, the Spirit, God's Passion, being the seed of All Living Things(living things defined as being the reality of everything that exists in the Material sense of the Word, Reality.

Zero-0 being symbolic of God, once converted into the First Singularity to have Relative, a Numerical value of One-1.

As God, a Singularity having no relative, numerical value, having a numerical value of Zero-0 was displaced, issuing forth having a dual quality, becoming the First Singularity, to become relative, attaining a numerical value of One-1 by becoming the First in a series, the direct cause, the beginning of a system of Chaos, the beginning of a process such as the Evolutionary Process, as the beginning of a continuum such as Space-Time.

0/1; Zero/0 being the seed of the Reality of Everything, being spontaneously Transfigured, converted, into the First Singularity to have relative, a Numerical Value of One-1, the Reality of First Cause.

-- March 21st, 2017, 12:08 pm --

The Theory of Everything. "0/1"
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Re: New thought on Human Purpose

Post Number:#19  Postby Alias » March 22nd, 2017, 10:05 am

Why bother with the god metaphor?
There was nothing, then there was everything; we are in it; we have only a glimmer of an inkling of what it is we are in.
But we would like to imagine ourselves the center and the purpose of it all - so we anthropomorphize the entire universe!
Look at the big brass balls on that tiny microbulus!
Democracy in Truth! Equal votes for fact and fantasy!
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Re: New thought on Human Purpose

Post Number:#20  Postby Wayne92587 » March 22nd, 2017, 12:20 pm

you need a second s on you name

-- March 22nd, 2017, 11:08 am --

The manifestation of God.

Without a doubt the word God as a metaphor, is something other than God; has no other purpose than to be symbolic of the Beginning, the generation, the Creation, making manifest the Reality of Everything.

The first Singularity to have relative, a numerical value of One-1, the Reality of First Cause, that which made manifest the Universe, the Heavens and the Earth, the Reality of Everything that exists in the material, the physical Reality, 0/1.

God is a metaphor for the most minute particle in the Universe, the Reality of Everything being made manifest, for Singularity having no relative numerical value, existing without displacement, a non-being, not being measurable as to Angular momentum, as to location and momentum, existing as a Infinitely Finite Invisible Singularity having no relative numerical value, existing as a Singularity having a numerical value of Zero-0, existing as an untold quantity, as an infinite Singularity of Zero-0, having no potential to be anything other than what it was until a reconfiguration, which came about as a change in the nature of Motion.

The change in the motion of a Singularity of Zero-0, displacement, resulting in the transfiguration, in the conversion of a Singularity of Zero-0, converted into Singularity of One-1 by becoming the First in a series, becoming the beginning of a process such as the Evolutionary Process, by becoming the beginning of a continuum such as Space-Time, becoming the Reality of First Cause, the passion, the nature of the insignificant Singularity, becoming omnipresent though out the Omniscience of the Universe, within the Transcendental (Metaphorical) Fully Random Quantum State of Singularity.
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Re: New thought on Human Purpose

Post Number:#21  Postby George1949 » March 22nd, 2017, 3:29 pm

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God and mind are manmade concepts, like heaven, hades, angels, ghosts, the Spirt and spirts. However, the concept of God has no basis in reality, just fantasy. The mind is a concept associated with the physical brain that is not conjecture or fantasy but reality.

The mind is the physical brain and can be examined. If you had no brain or brain stem, you would be dead, and you would not have a mind. Some people have survived without a physical brain, but had a brain stem.

God is superstitious nonsense and only exists in the delusions of man.

If by mind, you actually mean the brain, it does exist. Since God is a manmade concept, the idea that a manmade concept called God having a mind/brain is pure gibberish, just more fantasy.

But, since you are spewing superstitious nonsense, why not give God nine heads like Hydra in Greek mythology. Greek mythology existed over 300 years before Christain mythology began. The Hellenistic period (323-146 BC) existed over 300 years before the fantasy mythology called Christianity began.

The people, who created the concept of God, also gave God superhuman powers. In their definition they went as far as to say that God cannot be understood by mere mortal man, more gibberish. The concept of immortality only exists in the fantasy land of Christians.

Again, superstitious concepts like God have no basis in reality; so of course, they can’t be explained by man except to say that the concept is superstitious nonsense, fantasy gone amuck.

If you believe in the manmade concept called God, I will never be able to convince you that you are deluded. All my beliefs are support by science and can be proven.

Some beliefs are subjective and vary by degree from person to person, e.g., beauty, love. Each person on earth with a brain can give you their definitions of beauty and love, so those beliefs are testable. Just asked any person and you will get an answer.

We will have to agree to disagree.
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