Being before the Big Bang

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Re: Being before the Big Bang

Post Number:#121  Postby Wayne92587 » March 20th, 2017, 2:16 pm

The wave function of the Particle Wave Duality exists the motion of a Single Particle as it transcends the relativity of Time and Space; the Particle as it exists during its wave function, existing in the past the present and the future.

The existence or non-existence of Space is Uncertain, a Single Particle of Space having no displacement, no angular momentum, no velocity of a speed and direction not being readily apparent.

A Particle of Space appearing as though it were Nothing, non-existent, in quantity existing as an omniscient, a Great Void; there being only “Darkness” upon the Deep.

The Particle wave function of a Singularity alone in the Emptiness exists as Pure Unadulterated Energy making a Humming Sound. OHM!


Nothingness, the Great The Void appearing only as a Darkness upon Deep before the Big Bang, if you want to use the word 'existence', although this term is dubious in relation to such an idea.
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Re: Being before the Big Bang

Post Number:#122  Postby Lark_Truth » March 23rd, 2017, 9:26 am

Two thoughts:
One, that if the event that created the universe was indeed spontaneous, then what could have caused that spontaneous reaction?
Two, that if there is a powerful and sentient being or force that created the universe there are two questions as to this fact: Why would they do that? & Where did that powerful being/force come from?
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Re: Being before the Big Bang

Post Number:#123  Postby Chasw » March 23rd, 2017, 11:05 am

Lark_Truth wrote:Two thoughts:
One, that if the event that created the universe was indeed spontaneous, then what could have caused that spontaneous reaction?
Two, that if there is a powerful and sentient being or force that created the universe there are two questions as to this fact: Why would they do that? & Where did that powerful being/force come from?


Right on, Lark. Following the discussion here, I also conclude on your first thought. The something that caused the big bang to commence, could either be a) a set of changing circumstances that reached a tipping point and exploded into the current version of Being, or b) a sentient being caused the bang to go off in a particular way, that resulted in the seemingly consistent universe we observe, where the so-called laws of physics apply equally in all inertial reference planes.

Scientists generally hold to the first possibility, while religionists tend to believe in a sentient Creator. As for where did the supposed sentient being come from, that question seems to be beyond the reach of science and barely within the horizon of metaphysics. Interestingly, the Roman Pope warned scientists not to push cosmology that far. A safe assumption for believers is: The Creator was always there, no beginning or end as we conceive them, since time as we know it probably did not apply in the same way at that immense distance. That's pure speculation on my part, but it seems plausible. thx - CW
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Re: Being before the Big Bang

Post Number:#124  Postby Eaglerising » March 23rd, 2017, 12:01 pm

Lark_Truth asks: “If the event that created the universe was indeed spontaneous, then what could have caused that spontaneous reaction?”

The following explanation is for your consideration. It’s intended for those who have the courage and curiosity to examine it freshly, free of any knowledge they have. Otherwise it will either be rejected as nonsense or blindly believed. Consequently, no understanding will take place.

Like all good stories, it begins a long time ago. In fact, it begins before the beginning of no beginning, before the beginning of time. All that existed was a consciousness and the absence of it, neither of which can be comprehended by the human brain. We will call this consciousness “Naught” for the lack of a better word because it is neither physical nor non-physical. Here again, this is a concept that cannot be comprehended by the brain.

Although this consciousness existed it wasn’t consciously aware of itself, just as a child isn’t consciously aware of its existence. As with a child, it eventually became consciously aware of its existence. It’s unknown how long it took Naught to be consciously aware of its existence, due to the absence of any reference. As with a child, conscious awareness produces the desire to understand itself. In turn, the child asks, “why?”

Naught’s desire to understand itself created an unexpected spontaneous eruption which resulted in the creation of the non-physical world. If you are wondering why, observe and examine what’s necessary for you to understand anything. Doesn’t it require seeing and experiencing something different from itself. Thus, the non-physical world allowed Naught to observe and experience what it’s not. In turn, that produced Naught’s desire to understand the non-physical world, which resulted in an unexpected spontaneous eruption which created the physical world.

If you carefully examine this message, you will see that it answers your questions. More importantly, it stimulates other questions which stimulates additional questions.
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Re: Being before the Big Bang

Post Number:#125  Postby Eduk » March 23rd, 2017, 12:16 pm

Scientists generally hold to the first possibility

Individual scientists may or may not hold to that statement. But the scientific consensus is that it is unknown.
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Re: Being before the Big Bang

Post Number:#126  Postby Felix » March 23rd, 2017, 3:13 pm

Chasw: a) a set of changing circumstances that reached a tipping point and exploded into the current version of Being.


Random chaos isn't known to give birth to order, but with the great god Singularity, all things are possible.

or b) a sentient being caused the bang to go off in a particular way, that resulted in the seemingly consistent universe we observe, where the so-called laws of physics apply equally in all inertial reference planes.


It need not be one way or the other, both answers can apply: an eternal universe and eternal consciousness that are interdependent, or as the Taoists say, "go together." Good buddies Being and Existence worshipping together in a church of their choice.

As to the why, creative play is the only game in town. Does the game have a goal? That's something to be discovered.
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Re: Being before the Big Bang

Post Number:#127  Postby Eaglerising » March 23rd, 2017, 6:06 pm

As humans, we can only experience 4 of life's 12 dimensions. Thus, we have limited access and understanding of life. Throughout the history of man, there have been some who had unusual powers and insights. Individuals such as Lucretius (a Roman poet and philosopher), Nostradamus, and Edgar Cayce.

After experiencing several unexpected mindboggling-experiences, I developed various abilities. The first was a quiet mind, free from thought while working and doing other activities. The second was the ability to read the Akashic Records or book of life. How and why the the physical world came into existence is from the Akashic Records. Like most people, it was difficult for me to even consider the possibility of what I was seeing and experiencing. It took years of research confirming what I saw to finally accept it. Some of what I saw later became known and proven by science such as cell phones, GPS and neuroplasticity or brain plasticity.

Although we talk about the various levels of consciousness, few have actually experienced them or experienced what they are capable of doing. An excellent example of can be seen watching David Blaine perform because it isn't done by magic or illusion.

Everything I post is merely a "possibility" for your consideration and examination fonr free of thought and what you think or believe you know.
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Re: Being before the Big Bang

Post Number:#128  Postby Eduk » March 23rd, 2017, 6:42 pm

So you are just going to sit back and allow global warming to continue unabated? Isn't that the equivalent of mass murder? What kind of moral person are you?
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Re: Being before the Big Bang

Post Number:#129  Postby Eaglerising » March 23rd, 2017, 7:19 pm

Eduk, you talk as if it is my responsibility to fix global warming. That responsibility belongs to everyone who has contributed to global warming. There are consequences, desirable and undesirable, associated with everything we do and believe. Ignoring or rejecting that reality is being irresponsible.
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Re: Being before the Big Bang

Post Number:#130  Postby Rr6 » March 23rd, 2017, 8:08 pm

Lark here is one possible answer to what is Universe before I current observed Universe and keeps reoccurring eternally. Simple not complex. imho

Universe--- aka mother nature ---abhors a vacuum.

Universe also abhors equilibrium.

Ive given two scenarios for heat dearth of Universe. One of those is the all matter of Universe will become a very large and very, longest wave i.e. longest frequency, photon and this would be closet Universe ever comes to equlibrium. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

One of my scenarios is that there is set of bosons--- including gravity and dark energy ---as great circles/great tori on each side of that flat photon, and they may even overlap, so that the flat photon is actually with the area of overlap.

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This above does not show the overlap of the great tori. Here below may a better view

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Perhaps when the next Big Bang or WOW! occurs it begins everywhere along that flat line photon at same time, or close to same time.

Coincidentally this texticonic set is almost exactly the same one I use to present the 31 bilateral spinal nerves 31 left 31 right. The icosa{20}hedron also has a primary set of 31 left and 31 right skew great circles ergo --- O left or right O ---

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Lark_Truth wrote:Two thoughts:
One, that if the event that created the universe was indeed spontaneous, then what could have caused that spontaneous reaction?
Two, that if there is a powerful and sentient being or force that created the universe there are two questions as to this fact: Why would they do that? & Where did that powerful being/force come from?
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Re: Being before the Big Bang

Post Number:#131  Postby Bohm2 » Yesterday, 4:39 pm

Lark_Truth wrote:Two thoughts: One, that if the event that created the universe was indeed spontaneous, then what could have caused that spontaneous reaction?

The Block universe model avoids this question altogether. In the Block universe model, time is treated like space and the past, present and future are always existing (e.g. it's all there at once) analogous to the way the projector of the movie is to the sequence of frames on the film. Thus, the universe does not have to "emerge from nothing". It is meaningless to talk of the "start" of the universe, or the "emergence of the universe from nothing", or any other term which implies change of the entire block universe structure over time. The entire space-time block is laid out as one unchanging structure. In the Block Universe model the big bang does not represent the 'start' of the universe as all times are equally real and the universe is eternal with no beginning or 'first cause'. As Stephen Hawking writes:
If the universe is really completely self-contained, having no boundary or edge, it would have neither beginning nor end: it would simply be.
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