What happens to us when we die?

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by Greta » March 6th, 2018, 7:11 pm

Jan Sand wrote:
March 6th, 2018, 2:03 am
But all human activity is reconfigured geological matter. Then the word "geology" becomes meaningless as a term distinguishing it from human activity.
Not from chemical or systemic perspectives.

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by chondriac » March 6th, 2018, 7:16 pm

or electromagnetic modes involving I and O

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by QuarterMaster69 » March 7th, 2018, 8:45 am

philoreaderguy wrote:
April 14th, 2007, 3:14 pm
What happens to us when we die? What do you think happens? What do you want to happen?
150,000 people died yesterday. 55 MILLION people died last year.

When we die we become a number--an unknown number in the sequence of deaths since Adam and Eve.

What I want to happen is for a catastrophic event that kills every single species of living things on Earth right down to every bacterium including myself to occur so that when I die so does the world. (Hey, you asked.)

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by Jan Sand » March 7th, 2018, 9:37 pm

Humans in genera delight in destroying wonderful things. A quite small sector of humanity is fantastically talented in producing the stuff that the mean, vicious and incredibly stupid people enjoy in destroying. In a a few decades it is quite obvious that the destroyers will destroy much of everything. This is the legacy of humanity.

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by Atreyu » March 13th, 2018, 6:53 pm

To answer the question properly you have to divide time into two parts, 1) the time of the living, "time as we know it"; and 2) the person's individual time, the "time of his life". Because these are "two different times".

If we answer the question from the pov of #1, we can say that you will be 'eaten' at death. Your physical body will rot and decompose, becoming one with the Earth. Other more 'fine' matter (soul) will also be eaten, but not by the Earth. You will not exist. Period. The subjective experience of this is unknown.

If we answer the question from the pov of #2, we can say that you go back to the beginning, as if the time of your life was a circle. As if a point on the circle were labeled "birth/death". You've run out of time and cannot continue living in the time of the living (#1). But your time still exists -- in the past. The subjective experience of this is also unknown, until one becomes around the age of 3, when he himself can then remember it. So the period from death --> rebirth --> to age 3 is unknown.

To understand this idea properly you would have to understand that your great grandpa does not exist, period, in this time. But he continues to exist in his own time (the past). The dead become separated from the living via time. The dead 'stay behind' so to speak, having run out of time, while the living continue 'moving forward' in time, so to speak.

The reason many people think that the dead are 'gone', in the absolute sense of the word, is because they are not taking the space-time paradigm into account concerning life and death, i.e. they are not considering these two separate times I just delineated above. They are only considering their time, "time as they know it", the "time of the living". They do not consider that perhaps the dead are still living, just "living in the past" (literally), but the space-time paradigm tells us that this is the most likely scenario.

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by Greta » March 13th, 2018, 10:37 pm

Atreyu wrote:
March 13th, 2018, 6:53 pm
The reason many people think that the dead are 'gone', in the absolute sense of the word, is because they are not taking the space-time paradigm into account concerning life and death, i.e. they are not considering these two separate times I just delineated above. They are only considering their time, "time as they know it", the "time of the living". They do not consider that perhaps the dead are still living, just "living in the past" (literally), but the space-time paradigm tells us that this is the most likely scenario.
An interesting idea but I am not sold on Minkowski space, the 4D spacetime manifold. Relativity puts time aside, as though it would work either way but that is theoretical. The physical reality is the arrow of time, possibly associated with dark energy, if existent. It seems more likely that the past only remains insofar as it resonates in the present.

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by Hereandnow » March 13th, 2018, 11:48 pm

The ancient hippy says:
Must keep in mind that 'death' is a word. Death, life, electromagnetic modes, systemic perspectives, Minkowski space, my cat's furry paws: all words, and words are inherently interpretative. They do not mirror "the world," they interpret it. So whatever what we call death may be, conceptual constructions are always already "wrong" and it is therefore best to be silent on that of which we cannot speak, and let the world speak. Best sit under the Bodhi tree ...and listen. The most interesting thing in the universe is within.
I do miss the old times.

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by Atreyu » March 19th, 2018, 4:18 pm

Greta wrote:
March 13th, 2018, 10:37 pm
An interesting idea but I am not sold on Minkowski space, the 4D spacetime manifold. Relativity puts time aside, as though it would work either way but that is theoretical. The physical reality is the arrow of time, possibly associated with dark energy, if existent. It seems more likely that the past only remains insofar as it resonates in the present.
Yes, but the key word is "physical". The "physical reality" is the reality of the living, of those who perceive themselves to be "physical", of those who have physical bodies.

But it is true for those who do not?

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by Greta » March 19th, 2018, 8:03 pm

Atreyu wrote:
March 19th, 2018, 4:18 pm
Greta wrote:
March 13th, 2018, 10:37 pm
An interesting idea but I am not sold on Minkowski space, the 4D spacetime manifold. Relativity puts time aside, as though it would work either way but that is theoretical. The physical reality is the arrow of time, possibly associated with dark energy, if existent. It seems more likely that the past only remains insofar as it resonates in the present.
Yes, but the key word is "physical". The "physical reality" is the reality of the living, of those who perceive themselves to be "physical", of those who have physical bodies.

But it is true for those who do not?
Those who do not have physical bodies?

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by Atreyu » March 27th, 2018, 9:32 pm

While most "mediums" are charlatans, this doesn't mean that there never were, or could not be, any. The nature of so called "esoteric" practices such as 'talking to the dead' is that for every real practitioner there are bound to be hundreds of wanna-bes, of phonies. I wouldn't dismiss such practices out of hand just because of all the pretenders.

Talking with the dead is very similar to having a 'vision' of the past. If your awareness could travel into the past, then certainly you could communicate with the "dead"....

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by Greta » March 27th, 2018, 11:00 pm

You are right that we should not dismiss esoteric ideas due to dodgy practitioners. We can only dismiss them based on evidence.

Due to the hard division between life and death, verifiable evidence that can be observed and understood by multiple informed observers is seemingly not possible. Further, there is no known means for the unattached information of your self to continue beyond the grave. So I doubt but don't entirely discount.

Further, I find myself not inclined to seriously investigate the paranormal - to "try" to perceive spirits - on a personal level because regular life has enough challenges without either messing around with something I don't understand or wasting time chasing illusory phantoms. If it turns out to be important one can always play catchup on one's deathbed :)

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