Why does Existence Exist?

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Re: Why does Existence Exist?

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Fooloso4 wrote:
......... Can you prove that tomorrow you will not be a banana?
NO - but for today I remain a Bighorn Sheep :!: :lol:


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Re: Why does Existence Exist?

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Fooloso4 wrote:Can you prove that tomorrow you will not be a banana?
Everyone has a chance to be a banana or anything else in a future. Maybe not tomorrow.
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Re: Why does Existence Exist?

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Sealight:
Everyone has a chance to be a banana or anything else in a future. Maybe not tomorrow.
Good to know that I have something to look forward to, but can you explain what it would mean for a person to be a banana? Is it now an act of cannibalism to eat bananas?

My wife things she's a chicken. I won't try to convince her otherwise, we need the eggs.
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Fooloso4 wrote:Good to know that I have something to look forward to, but can you explain what it would mean for a person to be a banana? Is it now an act of cannibalism to eat bananas?
Everything is made of atoms. Eating atoms of any sort can be considered an act of cannibalism because a group of atoms eats another group of atoms. It is obvious. But what was your question?
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Sealight:
Everything is made of atoms.
It does not follow from this that you or I are just a “group of atoms”. It is analogous to saying that since a work of Shakespeare is a group of words, any words you blurt out is Othello. Are you really unable to distinguish between a person and a banana? Is it not obvious?
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Re: Why does Existence Exist?

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Is there a sense in which no-change is equivalent to no-thing? Does contemplating either produce a similar thinking experience in one's mind? I would say yes, maybe, sort of.
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Fooloso4 wrote: Are you really unable to distinguish between a person and a banana? Is it not obvious?
Yes, I am unable. Are you able?
To be serious, people eat beef and I am unable to see a big difference between a person and a cow in the sense of their chem formulas.
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Sealight:
To be serious, people eat beef and I am unable to see a big difference between a person and a cow in the sense of their chem formulas.
And as a result have you concluded that it is appropriate to eat people or not to eat cows? That is not a flippant question. We do not exist as chemical formulas. That is a misguided reductionist view. If we are just chemical formulas then there is no difference between disposing of Mr. Clean cleaning fluid and disposing of Mr. Clean the guy who lives next door. The fact that everything around us is made of the same basic stuff is only the beginning of the story not the end.
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Change inherent to motion and relationship. All is in dynamic motion ergo the word energy means energetic i.e dynamic change of location.

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"Rr6"]Now to add in X{ 1a} we could have it perpendicular or we could add it as third line, that gives enclosure shape to what previous was just a right-angle. So YZX of existence can be viewed as a 2D right-triangle. /\ [/quote]
<<< past < out ( * | * ) in < future <<< where | is 2D Slice-of-Mind
<<< past < out ( * | * ) in < future <<<< where | is 2D Slice-of-Time aka Slice-of-Occupied Space
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Fooloso4 wrote:And as a result have you concluded that it is appropriate to eat people or not to eat cows? That is not a flippant question. We do not exist as chemical formulas. That is a misguided reductionist view. If we are just chemical formulas then there is no difference between disposing of Mr. Clean cleaning fluid and disposing of Mr. Clean the guy who lives next door. The fact that everything around us is made of the same basic stuff is only the beginning of the story not the end.
And where is the end? I will be satisfied if you can give a procedure (step by step, detail by detail) of how an exact copy of a person can be made.
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Sealight:
And where is the end?
The end of the story? We do not know. We simply know that there is more to it than a bucket of chemicals.
I will be satisfied if you can give a procedure (step by step, detail by detail) of how an exact copy of a person can be made.
And I would be more than satisfied. The ability to distinguish between chemicals sloshing around in a bucket and a living being is not the ability to unravel the mysteries of life.
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Fooloso4 wrote: The end of the story? We do not know. We simply know that there is more to it than a bucket of chemicals.
And I would be more than satisfied. The ability to distinguish between chemicals sloshing around in a bucket and a living being is not the ability to unravel the mysteries of life.
Looks like we are in the same boat. We both know just a little about what a person is. :)
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Re: Slop-in-the-System

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^v = sine-wave frequency pattern ergo change and motion.

Fullers jitterbug transformations of the Vector Equlibrium aka cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron as the Operating System of Universe is for a few reasons, but one is the slop-in-the-system it allows by having four sets of 90 degree surface angles ergo transformation.

VE;

24, 60 degree surface angles

24, 90 degree surface angles

24 chords

24 radii

24, surface right angle tetrahedron

24 XYZ right-angle tetrahedron

It is the VE is mostly unstable and that is why it can be associated with unstable { short lived } mesons.

OO = one quark i.e. two great circles.

The VE has 4 great circles OO OO ergo two quarks ergo one meson.

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Rr6 wrote:Change is inherent to motion and relationship. All is in dynamic motion ergo the word energy means energetic i.e dynamic change of location.

"Rr6"]Now to add in X{ 1a} we could have it perpendicular or we could add it as third line, that gives enclosure shape to what previous was just a right-angle. So YZX of existence can be viewed as a 2D right-triangle. /\
<<< past < out ( * / * ) in < future <<< where / is 2D Slice-of-Mind

<<< past < out ( * | * ) in < future <<<< where | is 2D Slice-of-Time aka Slice-of-Occupied Space

The truth exists, for those who seek it, those who don't and those who scoff at it. imho[/quote]
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Re: Why does Existence Exist?

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Sealight:
Looks like we are in the same boat. We both know just a little about what a person is.
This confuses several different issues. First, the concept of a person. Ethicists at one time spent a good deal of time and effort on this concept, but it only led to more confusion as different parties defined it differently and no one is able to provide a satisfactory inclusive definition. This is, as Wittgenstein points out, a more common problem than we might think. Adding to the confusion is the fact that in the U.S. at least corporations have the legal status of persons. Second, knowing that my neighbor Mr. Clean is a person and that the bottle of Mr. Clean I purchased at the grocery store is not is not the same as knowing what a person is at some other level, say chemical, or structural, or biological, or essential. Third, not knowing how to make an exact copy of a person is something quite different than the problem of what a person is.

Recall that this discussion began with your observation that everything is made up of atoms and the conclusion that therefore eating atoms of any sort is cannibalism. This led to the problem of reductionism and then to your question about how to make a copy of a person starting with the basic atomic components. This is a fundamental problem of materialism, but it is not a problem that gets in the way of our understanding of what a person is at the level of identification and differentiation. Oliver Sacks wrote a book entitled “The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat”. This was a cognitive rather than epistemological or ontological problem.
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Re: Why does Existence Exist?

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Ormond wrote:
UniversalAlien wrote:Why does Existence Exist?
The overwhelming vast majority of what exists doesn't actually exist, it's empty space between atomic particles, between stars etc.
Space is not empty. It is an electromagnetic matrix.

-- Updated October 9th, 2016, 7:46 am to add the following --
Ormond wrote:
UniversalAlien wrote:Why does Existence Exist?
The overwhelming vast majority of what exists doesn't actually exist, it's empty space between atomic particles, between stars etc.
Space is not empty. It is an electromagnetic matrix.

-- Updated October 9th, 2016, 8:08 am to add the following --

Why does existence exist?

1. Dynamic equilibrium is the natural state of non-existence.
2. Fluctuations within these dynamics can create transient existences of contrasts.
3. "All things being equal"...dynamic equilibrium will prevail.
4. A contrast that is self-cycling can remove the condition, "all things being equal".
5. A cycle of contrast creates a continuum.
6. Within a continuum, there is a timeline created where existence occurs.

Equilibrium is the primal force.
The self-referential cycle is powered by equilibrium.
Existence is an expanded equilibrium.
Expansion is the basis of space/time.

-- Updated October 9th, 2016, 9:49 am to add the following --

It's my opinion that if we view a situation from the correct perspective, its logic will become apparent.

The "big bang" is not the beginning of Time.
It is the beginning of Expansion.

We are made of radially expanding longitudinal wave nodes.
Radial expansion occurs @ the universal constant "c".
The differential expansion of radially expanding "matter" and spherically expanding E/M transfer creates the "apparent speed of light".

-- Updated October 9th, 2016, 10:07 am to add the following --

The "void" is the natural state of dynamic equilibrium.
There is no space/time in the void.

Space/time are the dimensions relative to expansion.
The qualities of expansion are "radial trajectory @ c"

As entities made of nodes of radial energy, we don't sense the constant motion of expansion ( that creates Time).

Space, from our perspective, is relative distances of co-moving radial nodes.
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