The Implications of the Subjective Prison of Mind

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Philosch
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Re: The Implications of the Subjective Prison of Mind

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Belindi wrote:Greta wrote:
Belinda, subjectivity and objectivity are practical matters as far as I can tell, honed by evolution. How much does the fact that viewing reality the way we do - as subject and other - is efficacious mean about its ontological truthfulness and to what extent may the conception serve as blinkers that promote survivally helpful behaviours?
Greta, claims about the ontological reality of subjective mind and objective extended matter have to remain metaphysical speculations. I very much like that nature is what exists and is all that exists, without recourse to any supernatural entities such as mind is sometimes presumed to be.

The fact that it's natural that we don't know subjective experience of each others' thoughts does promote survival of all conscious life forms. Without the unassailable privacy of individuals' thoughts there could be no prey and no predators, no nurtured and no nurturer, no giver and no receiver, no human comparing of ideas and so advancing learning by thesis, antithesis, and synthesis, no friends and no foes.

Unless there is at least one constraint there cannot possibly be any transfer of energy.
I like this post Belindi, that's well said. It not only acknowledges the constraint but you are asserting the constraint is an absolute necessity for us to be as we are and as we experience.
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I like it. In other words, in studying systems in which we are a part we will necessarily find that some things are inaccessible,

You have us "finding" what is in principle "inaccessible." Surely this is impossible?
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Studying something you are a part of can never be entirely objective. Because there is no detachment between
subject and object. An example is consciousness. One has to use consciousness in order to study consciousness
A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
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Surreptitious57 wrote:Studying something you are a part of can never be entirely objective. Because there is no detachment between
subject and object. An example is consciousness. One has to use consciousness in order to study consciousness
That is true of the psychology of consciousness : the biology of consciousness is as objective as any other biological study.
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Re: The Implications of the Subjective Prison of Mind

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Belindi wrote: July 14th, 2017, 2:53 pm
Surreptitious57 wrote:Studying something you are a part of can never be entirely objective. Because there is no detachment between
subject and object. An example is consciousness. One has to use consciousness in order to study consciousness
That is true of the psychology of consciousness : the biology of consciousness is as objective as any other biological study.

"One cannot pluck a flower from ones garden, without troubling a star." Wheeler Hi Belindi, as any other, is the operative phrase, this is yet established.
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