My Non-Paradoxical Explanation of Time and Space

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Re: My Non-Paradoxical Explanation of Time and Space

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Tamminen's point:
Tamminen wrote:Space and time get intertwined, and we have the concept of space-time, which is the result of applying and extending our original, subjective time to the material world.
… taken with "four dimensions of spacetime consist of events that are not absolutely defined spatially and temporally, but rather are known relative to the motion of an observe" (Dimensions - Wikipedia), underscores the application of further dimensions to our concept of a fully described 'Space'. In order to accurately and completely represent the actuality and behaviour of an 'event' or point one may well have to consider the effect of additional fields. However, I cannot mount any sort of argument couched in mathematics or physics terms, through lack of understanding in these fields. I can however object to claims that such extra 'dimensions' have existential merit, by appealing to a failure-to-date to demonstrate their existence by any repeatable test methodology. This does not however in anyway argue against the propagation and exploration of such concepts as String Theory, M Theory or any other proposition … including "The spirit world". Insofar as I am aware, there does not however exist any functionally efficient proposal for any such 'spirit world dimension' of three dimensional space (in the classical absolute sense), or of the demonstrably relativistic Space-Time continuum.
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Re: My Non-Paradoxical Explanation of Time and Space

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Sandis36 wrote:This is not clear, what you mean by the fifth dimension here, and the 6. So it is also not clear, how the timeline is the 4. dimension. You just state this, with explanations that are not good and understandable. The time is not similar as the space- dimensions. Only the fact that the space of the universe contains everything can be a space- dimension. Rationally, not exactly, strictly logically. Of course everything depends of the fitting of the model to the evidence, we can make models infinitely. But the explanation of the evidence also depends of the model.
The timeline is the fourth dimension of space because the line is one dimension greater than the point, and the point is representing our entire 3-D world. We have reduced our 3-D Universe into a point, i.e. we have reduced three dimensions to one, so that we can now represent the 4th dimension of space visually, and understand its relation to the 3 dimensions of space which we know and experience. And we can also now easily visualize how the 4th dimension is embedded in our perception of time. As the point (our entire Universe) moves across the timeline (moves through time), we experience things happening, i.e. a 'before, now, and after'. So the fourth dimension of space is ordinarily perceived by us as chronological time. If there was no fourth dimension, i.e. no line for our Universe to move on, i.e. no time, then nothing would happen, the point would remain fixed, and our entire Universe would be static and passive - no movement, no time. Everything would be still and motionless, forever.

The 5th and 6th dimensions are easily visualized by just imagining the timeline as being curved, as being able to go left, right, up, or down. The point moving through 3-D space now gives us 6 dimensions of space-time. The 3 dimensions of space the point is moving through are 3 greater than the point, which represents the 1st 3 dimensions of space. Therefore, the 3 dimensions of space the point is travelling through represent the 4th, 5th, and 6th dimensions of space (or 'space-time' if you want to stress that 'space' and 'time' are really one, and only differentiated based on the perceiver).

This model gives us a Universe where not only are all moments of time eternally co-existing, but also all moments of the past, present, and future, which were not realized by our Universe, but could have been. And this is the basis for the modern so called 'multiverse' model.

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A three dimensional object only travels through three classical spatial dimensions. There are no fifth and sixth ones
We cannot experience any more than three since we are only three dimensional objects ourselves. And so the three
spatial dimensions we are therefore composed of extend across the entirety of the universe. For there are no others
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Re: My Non-Paradoxical Explanation of Time and Space

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Atreyu. Could you please explicate your assertions further. I find your first sentence somewhat baffling. To start with, what do you mean by "timeline"? Also, if one posits a single point as "representing our entire 3-D world", does this require that The Universe in which we perceive ourselves has limits? In any event, all reading on subjects such as Topology, Vector Fields, Transformations n-Dimensional Space etc. - and about which I have only a slight grasp, seem to point to algorithmic procedures for considering the relationships of various aspects of physical existence. Those mathematical processes are very often extended in ways which are entirely consistent within their conceptual constructs, but do not necessarily find application (or analogues) in detectable physical phenomena. "Mathematically four-dimensional space is simply a space with four spatial dimensions, that is a space that needs four parameters to specify a point in it." (Four-dimensional space; Wikipedia). An extension of the Wikipedia quote leads to the conclusion that however many dimensions are decided upon, the number is determined by the number of defining attributes that are claimed to be requisite in describing the existence of a theoretical 'point'. In this view, 3-D space is just one of the dimensional constraints. BUT 3-D space is foundational to existence as we know it. I suggest that equally fundamental is the existence of energy, changes in the distribution and manifestation of which (remember e=mc^2) require the 4th dimension … that which we call time.
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