Who is I? The possessor of my body, mind, and spirit?

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What is reality? Is it what physics describes? No. It is our being in the world that physics describes, and our being conscious of the very same world. We are objects and subjects at the same time. But we are objects as Others, and the subjectivity of Others is hidden but presupposed in our communicating with and understanding each other. Our consciousness of the world, and the subject that is conscious of the world, cannot be explained by physics or reduced to the world of physics. That is why the subject is transcendental. It is not a thing. It is the precondition of the being of things.

Munchausen told that he had lifted himself from his hair, but he was a liar. That is why the subject is transcendental.
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Tamminen wrote: December 14th, 2017, 8:37 am
Namelesss wrote: December 14th, 2017, 8:06 am Reality is a timeless state, by necessity!
I only have the fate that Reality can offer me.
'Fate' - the Inevitability of Now!
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Tamminen wrote: December 14th, 2017, 10:12 am What is reality? Is it what physics describes? No.
What is reality? Is it what physics describes? Yes!
Reality is ALL INCLUSIVE!
Anything and everything that you can see/say/imagine is Reality and, of course, so much more!
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Namelesss wrote: December 14th, 2017, 10:40 am What is reality? Is it what physics describes? Yes!
I meant: not only that.
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Transcendence involves a Singularity of Zero-0 being being transfigured into a Singularity of Greater Value, into a Singularity of One-1.

Quantum is spooky, in fact there is no such animal as quantum physics, is ghost like because quantum is priori knowledge which can not be experienced, quantum has no mass, is not a material Reality, quantum has no physics.

A quantum singularity has a dual quality, is transcendental, has no relative, numerical value, has a numerical value of Zero-0, Nada, Zilch, nothing.

Only one-1 of the pair, two, can be experience, spoken of, the other is priori, can not be experienced.

A quantum Singularity is transcendental, has a dual quality 0/1.

Before the beignning moment of the beginning of the creative process, the First Fully Random, Infinitely Finite Indivisible Singularity having no relative, Numerical, having a numerical value of Zerl-0, upon being transfigured, transcendental, is converted, reborn a Singularity having relative, a numerical value of One-1, by becoming the first in a series, the beginning of a process such a the Evolution Process, the beginning of a continuum such as Space-Time,

The motion of a quantum singularity before it transcends the Darkness of a Black Whole, In the Beginning there being only Darkness upon the Deep, is meaningless, exists without displacement without angular momentum without velocity, Time, Space and Motion existing as a priori Singularity.
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A Quantum Singularity of Zero-0 upon displacement develops angular momentum, velocity of Speed and direction becomes the first in a series, attaining relative, a numerical,value of One-1; as the Reality of First Cause creating a system of Chaos (as in the Butterfly Effect) which then made manifest the Heavens and the Earth, the Universe, the material Reality of Everything, even a rock.

The displacement of a Fully Random Infinitely Finite Indivisible Quantum Singularity of Zero-0 is immaterial which being transcendental is converted into a singularity of One-1, exists as a material Reality.

Quantum Singularity only appears to exist in two places a once because as a quantum Singularity it two qualities are observed from two different points of View.
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Wayne92587 wrote: December 14th, 2017, 1:09 pm Quantum is spooky, in fact there is no such animal as quantum physics, is ghost like because quantum is priori knowledge which can not be experienced, quantum has no mass, is not a material Reality, quantum has no physics.
The problem with the claim that anything "doesn't exist" is that it is always, ultimately, wrong!
Reality is ALL inclusive!
Reality is NOT, ultimately, 'material', it is information waves, quantum probability waves, "undifferentiated potential", Mindstuff!
The things that you see on your monitor ("The World" (tm)) are far from an accurate reflection of the coding within that produces the monitor image! It is an 'illusion' that helps us understand, helps us Know. Though it seems 'solid', that is merely an artifact of Perspective! Look closer!
The classical physics world is obsolete, other than it's temporary pragmatism. Though a relatively poor descriptor of 'Reality', it has been well used, but a new descriptor of Reality is taking precedence.
A quantum Singularity is transcendental, has a dual quality 0/1.
Sorry, but you have no experience/Knowledge of 'transcendental'.
In the transcendental state, there is no 'duality' as it transcends such 'thought/ego'!
...is immaterial which being transcendental is converted into a singularity of One-1, exists as a material Reality.
Nothing is 'converted' to anything, Consciousness peers into itself from all us limited Perspectives. We Know/experience that bit which is before us. That bit of isolated Mindstuff/coding/information, isolated from the rest of the 'cloud' becomes perceptible, for the moment.
If you've ever watched 'What the Bleep Do We Know', it is Perspective alone that has one image of the basketball present itself as 'Reality'.
Not anything exists that is not Consciously perceived.

An illustration;
'Point to the left'.
Easy.
Note where you are pointing.
Now turn 1 degree and point to the left.
Again note the results.
Now another degree, etc...
And another 1/4 of a degree...
Turn in every possible direction, on every possible axis!
It turns out that every direction is 'left', 'left' is a 'cloud needing a particular Perspective to have any 'direction' at all!
Now point to the 'right'!
Same drill!
Note that the exact same cloud of 'left', is also, at the same moment, a cloud of 'right'!
And a cloud of 'up'!
And a cloud of 'down'...
Do the experiment!

The only 'distinctions' that can even be called 'left' or 'right', OR 'up' and 'down'... are a matter of Perspective!

Ultimately, We are One (unchanging (motionless), all inclusive) 'Cloud'/Reality!!
Classical physicists study mirages;

"...scientists are condemned by their unexamined assumptions to study the nature of mirrors only by cataloging and investigating everything that mirrors can reflect. It is an endless process that never makes progress, that never reaches closure, that generates endless debate between those who have seen different reflected images, and whose enduring product is voluminous descriptions of particular phenomena." - The Adapted Mind
Quantum Singularity only appears to exist in two places a once because as a quantum Singularity it two qualities are observed from two different points of View.
Perhaps like 'thought'; there is One Thought perceived from almost (always almost) infinite Perspectives, by a single Universal Consciousness! That accounts for all the 'thoughts' perceived, ever.
The Universe IS The Singularity' (tm)!
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I'm not sure if it's a mystical state needed to deal with QM so much as being prepared to suspend relativistic belief.

It's the difference between saying "I have no idea why, but experiments show that x is true" or "I'm sure that one day the experiments will find that x is false".
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Greta wrote: December 14th, 2017, 10:49 pm I'm not sure if it's a mystical state needed to deal with QM so much as being prepared to suspend relativistic belief.
The mystical state IS the suspension/transcendence of the relativism/duality/schizophrenia of all 'thought/ego'.
Within which, the malware/parasite/virus of 'beliefs' exists.
Even thoughts that are not 'believed' are dualistically structured.
Self! needs that 'ego' that all Self! may be Known!
Like the new tarmac, at night, all would be unintelligible chaos, so lines are painted on the surface, lanes, parking spaces, arrows, etc... so the the unknowable terrain/Universe, may become Known.
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Namelesss wrote: December 14th, 2017, 11:18 pm
Greta wrote: December 14th, 2017, 10:49 pm I'm not sure if it's a mystical state needed to deal with QM so much as being prepared to suspend relativistic belief.
The mystical state IS the suspension/transcendence of the relativism/duality/schizophrenia of all 'thought/ego'.
I'll have to take your word for it. I have enjoyed a couple of mystical states but I don't know much about them.
Namelesss wrote:Like the new tarmac, at night, all would be unintelligible chaos, so lines are painted on the surface, lanes, parking spaces, arrows, etc... so the the unknowable terrain/Universe, may become Known.
That sounds like a description of science.
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Greta wrote: December 15th, 2017, 1:24 am
Namelesss wrote: December 14th, 2017, 11:18 pm
The mystical state IS the suspension/transcendence of the relativism/duality/schizophrenia of all 'thought/ego'.
I'll have to take your word for it. I have enjoyed a couple of mystical states but I don't know much about them.
The only Knowing is the actual experiencing.
Don't take my word for anything, enter into the thoughtless state yourself and Know! *__-
Namelesss wrote:Like the new tarmac, at night, all would be unintelligible chaos, so lines are painted on the surface, lanes, parking spaces, arrows, etc... so the the unknowable terrain/Universe, may become Known.
That sounds like a description of science.
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I am compelled to say that I am enjoying hearing your Perspective on things!
The problem is that science has been assuming that the 'grid/markings' ARE the terrain, rather than metaphor!
It takes a philosopher to critically examine the assumptions that are just taken for granted by scientists and others.
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Every 'good' philosopher is also a scientist! (And artist!)
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Rare as lips on a chicken are scientists capable of philosophical thought!
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The subject is conscious of objects. This is the ontological structure of reality. The being of the subject depends on the being of objects and the being of objects depends on the being of the subject.

The totality of objects is the universe.

The being of the subject manifests itself as the being of individual subjects. The being of the universe does not depend on the being of any particular individual subject. From an individual subject's point of view objects are noumena, “things-in-themselves”.

Modern science is interested in objects. Philosophy is interested in reality as a whole. Philosophy is reflective.

The being of the subject and its consciousness of objects cannot be explained by objects of consciousness. On the contrary, the being of the universe can be explained by the being of the subject and its necessary internal structure.

To try to explain the being of the subject and the being of consciousness by properties of matter is like trying to explain the idea of knife by the physical properties of the blade of the knife.

The universe is like a home for us. Its objects are its furniture. As Heidegger said, objects are not “present-at-hand”, they are “ready-to-hand”, they are instruments of our being.

The being of the subject does not need an explanation. It is already presupposed. We only have to understand its internal structure. For that purpose we need philosophical and scientific methods like observation, logic, dialectic and phenomenology. In short: reflective thinking.

I am conscious of the fact that these thoughts are somewhat provocative. Consider them as thought experiments.
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Tamminen wrote: December 15th, 2017, 5:07 am The subject is conscious of objects. This is the ontological structure of reality. The being of the subject depends on the being of objects and the being of objects depends on the being of the subject.
Making distinction between 'subject' and 'object' is a fool's errand!
They are one and the same thing!

When you see a rock in a movie, or on your computer screen, is that rock an 'object'?
It certainly APPEARS as one.
But it is really, ultimately, no more than 'code' reflected.
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Namelesss wrote: December 15th, 2017, 4:07 pm Making distinction between 'subject' and 'object' is a fool's errand!
They are one and the same thing!
An object is a thing, the subject is not.
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