Hereandnow wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2018, 12:13 am
I take Jill Bolte Taylor's experience very seriously. She is not alone. Consider near death experiences, which are similar, as well. The intersting part about these latter is not what a person may encounter in terms of images or other content. This is not nearly as important as the experience's quality: as more deeply real, sublime, profound, and so on. I take this seriously because while "sensory" content in an NDE is more readily dismissable and can be understood as, in the near death experience, the unstable activity of a dying brain, reports of quality cannot, that is, they are not interpretations of something as real, as might occur with an hallucination; the sense of something profound and more real than real is not mistakable, the powerful bliss of something entirely alien to ordinary everydayness is not mistakable since these kinds of things are not interpretations; they are givens.
'Feelings'.. senses...
Ever heard one of the Truths in the Bible:
"The Heart is deceitful above all things!"
All I said, and I'll elaborate a bit, is that in the history of man, of which I'm aware, none have emerged from a 'stroke' in a state of unconditional Love/Enlightenment.
Perhaps there is an example to the contrary. No sweat. I have not seen it, hence my assertion.
Hereandnow wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2018, 12:13 am
I take Jill Bolte Taylor's experience very seriously. She is not alone. Consider near death experiences, which are similar, as well. The intersting part about these latter is not what a person may encounter in terms of images or other content. This is not nearly as important as the experience's quality: as more deeply real, sublime, profound, and so on. I take this seriously because while "sensory" content in an NDE is more readily dismissable and can be understood as, in the near death experience, the unstable activity of a dying brain, reports of quality cannot, that is, they are not interpretations of something as real, as might occur with an hallucination; the sense of something profound and more real than real is not mistakable, the powerful bliss of something entirely alien to ordinary everydayness is not mistakable since these kinds of things are not interpretations; they are givens.
'Feelings'.. senses...
Ever heard one of the Truths in the Bible:
"The Heart is deceitful above all things!"
All I said, and I'll elaborate a bit, is that in the history of man, of which I'm aware, none have emerged from a 'stroke' in a state of unconditional Love/Enlightenment.
Perhaps there is an example to the contrary. No sweat. I have not seen it, hence my assertion.
Does this mean I am a full believer in all they say, along with their intimations of divinity and the overwhelming sense of god's presence, and so forth? Not really. But it does, to use a bit of an epistemologist's jargon, put some presumption in favor of belief that is difficult to ignore.
Or hallucinations based on conditioning, seeing what one expects to see...
After all, given a fair hearing, these NDE'ers, a few things are very clear: they are not lying (and Jill Bolte Taylor is certainly not lying). Of course, you can say they are, but i know liars and they simply aren't. They are intelligent people, many are doctors, professors and the reason why this is important is that education brings a standard of judgment to the testimony that leaves little room for foolishness.
Jeez! They saw you coming a mile away! *__-
Have I got a billion pop-up ads and commercials and robo-calls and telemarketers... just waiting for your twinkling trusting eyes!
Like I said, I don't therefore have solid beliefs of an objective nature on this. But keep in mind that the reason we push these kinds of things aside so blithely is because of two things: One is that the everyday world does not have a verifiable theoretical basis for belief in them,
No, but science and philosophy does.
in other words there is no empirical proof;
Doesn't matter, Knowledge = experience!
Anecdotal evidence is often accepted in a court of law!
and the other is the justified belief that people who say fantastic things are just liars and cheats looking for attention and profit.
I would grace NO 'belief' with calling it 'justified', and certainly not that!
What is your personal meaning of 'fantastic'? It would be different for everyone, no?
I say many things that can be perceived, from certain Perspectives, as 'fantastic, and I am neither a liar or a cheat, and get all the money and attention that I need!
Reminds me of the snarky quote;
"There are two categories of people, people who fall into categories, and people who put them there." *__-