Togo, yes, absolutely correct, BUT my point has NOTHING to do with this/your time delay of ‘sequential’ events happening in reality, nor the ‘sequential’ events happening in consciousness.Togo1 wrote:I'm saying that a purely unconscious system still has a time delay. The body doesn't process real time information any more than consciousness does.
My point has to do with the time delay between ‘reality’-to-‘consciousness’ (not reality-to-reality, nor consciousness-to-consciousness). This is about the time delay of those events happening in reality (in ‘real-time’) to those corresponding events happening in the conscious mind of the observer (in ‘conscious-time’).
For example, when our hand makes contact with the table, it takes 150-200 ms for our brain to process the ‘recognition’ of this touch (the contact with the table). This means that there exists a CTD (conscious time delay) of 150-200 ms. Again, this time delay is between the reality of your hand touching the table and your consciousness of this reality.
The logic goes like this:
- P1. “Instantaneous” detection/sensing is not logically (nor scientifically) possible. This includes human conscious experiences (sensing/detecting). A ‘time delay’ is an unavoidable fact.
P2. None of our conscious processes are ‘exempt’ from this ‘time delay’, as ALL processes consume time.
C. Therefore, our ‘present’ conscious experience(s) are of ‘past’ events. EVERYTHING that we are conscious of, has already happened.
Togo, the “events happening in the body’s visual equipment” ARE happening in REALITY; ‘real-time’. There are only 2 time lines; 1) reality, and 2) the consciousness of this reality.Togo1 wrote:Comparing the three (the events happening in reality, events happening according to the body's visual equipment, and the events happening in the conscious mind of the catcher) on a single timeline. Here is what we get:
Not so. The body moves, and then (250 ms later) the body becomes conscious of moving, then the body catches the baseball, and then (250 ms later) the body becomes conscious of catching the baseball. Etc etc. etc. onward for-ever-erTogo1 wrote:According to you, catching baseballs is impossible.
To be more accurate -- "Consciousness" is the 'present' memory of 'past' events.Present awareness wrote:Consciousness “is” the present moment, because everything is contained within it.
Also, it is not that "everything is contained within it", it is just our (time delayed) window view of reality. It is the only view we've got.