Is a life without unwanted loss a life without suffering?

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Is a life without unwanted loss a life without suffering?

Post by Gnybus387 » March 2nd, 2018, 7:29 pm

Is a life without unwanted loss a life without suffering? This question dawned upon me as i was questioning suffering itself and i realized how alot of it has to do with unwanted loss, so if you took that away, would you just not suffer?

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Re: Is a life without unwanted loss a life without suffering?

Post by Namelesss » March 5th, 2018, 4:31 pm

Gnybus387 wrote:
March 2nd, 2018, 7:29 pm
Is a life without unwanted loss a life without suffering? This question dawned upon me as i was questioning suffering itself and i realized how alot of it has to do with unwanted loss, so if you took that away, would you just not suffer?
Is life possible without 'unwanted loss'?
If one only lives for a moment, is 'death' not an 'unwanted loss'?

Besides, 'suffering' is necessary;

“Suffering is a gift. In it is hidden mercy.” ― Rumi

“The wound is the place where the Light enters you.” --- Rumi

"I say that next to God there is no nobler thing than suffering. Right suffering is the mother of all virtues, for right suffering so subdues the heart, it cannot rise to pride but perforce is lowly." - Meister Eckhart

"Harkee, all rational souls! The swiftest steed to bear you to your goal is suffering; none shall ever taste eternal bliss but those who stand with Christ in depths of bitterness. Nothing is more gall-bitter than suffering, nothing so honey-sweet as to have suffered. The most sure foundation for this perfection is humility, for he whose nature here creeps in deepest depths shall soar in spirit to highest height of Deity.' - Meister Eckhart

"The growth of the soul in man is as that of a pearl in an oyster, both being caused by irritation." - Plato

Pain and Blessing/Bliss are One Reality!
The only difference is a matter of Perspective!
"The immature run from Pain, the Wise find the Blessing within!" - n

"Only a Breaking Heart can Love!" - n

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Re: Is a life without unwanted loss a life without suffering?

Post by LuckyR » March 8th, 2018, 1:44 am

Gnybus387 wrote:
March 2nd, 2018, 7:29 pm
Is a life without unwanted loss a life without suffering? This question dawned upon me as i was questioning suffering itself and i realized how alot of it has to do with unwanted loss, so if you took that away, would you just not suffer?
No. The presence of a negative is negative (by definition). You can eliminate all negatives but that ignores the fact that the absence of a positive is also negative.
"As usual... it depends."

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Re: Is a life without unwanted loss a life without suffering?

Post by Judaka » March 10th, 2018, 9:08 am

There are still other aspects of suffering beyond loss, such as failure to achieve, self-esteem, disease and so on. Even if we call disease "an unwanted loss of healthiness", can talk about conditions people are born with. The presence of a negative is not inherently negative however - the answer to suffering lies within. No amount of goodness will guarantee your happiness and no amount of misfortune guarantees at least, psychological suffering.

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Re: Is a life without unwanted loss a life without suffering?

Post by Wayne92587 » April 17th, 2018, 12:41 pm

The subject should be the difference between necessary suffering and unnecessary suffering.

Suffering born of Mother Nature, cause and effect, is necessary, although man has the ability to avoid much of the suffering born of cause and effect.

Unnecessary Suffering is born of an affect, has no direct material cause, is born of guilefulness, deception, duplicity, lies, misconception of the Truth, is born of Knowledge having a duality quality, "Absolutely Bad Knowledge" mistaken to be absolutely Good Knowledge, the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

It is Evil to cause unnecessary suffering.

Suffering be it necessary or unnecessary is unwanted.

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