Count Lucanor wrote: ↑April 17th, 2018, 8:42 amYou must be kidding.Nameless wrote: The theory of evolution fails for the very same reason that the theory of 'creationism' fails.
Both require 'time'. Both require the 'motion' that 'time' necessarily theoretically, describes.
Zeno has proven, logically, how 'motion' is not possible.
That is one such proof, there are others.
Nope.
Nor is that a refutation of anything.
It is the beginning of an ad-hom fallacy, or an easy attempt at dismissal.
Discrediting me does not discredit what I say.
You can't really think that after a thousand of years our knowledge of Physics has not moved an inch.
Again, you offer no refutations so far...
Nor need I defend words that I never offered, nor even implied.
And, yes, you are correct, it seems; I "can't really think that after a thousand of years our knowledge of Physics has not moved an inch"! *__-
Zeno's paradoxes were a nice mind experiment and quite an achievement in the art of sophistry, but that's about it.
Again, no refutations offered, no 'fallacies' revealed in the logic.
No critical examination of the logic.
Do you place any credibility in logic?
Does logic trump experience/perceptions?
No, that is, again, not so.His fallacies were proven wrong in practice from the beginning
To attempt to invalidate logic using anecdotal perceptions, that are easily explained in the 'motionless theory', is not a valid rebuttal.
'Kicking the rock' does not prove or disprove the illusion of 'physicality' or 'motion'.
I don't 'believe' it!and refuted by modern calculus, among other disciplines.
Even 'math' cannot be so ignorant as to accept such 'unexamined assumptions', if so, it is 'unhinged' from any Reality;
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
-- Albert Einstein
Quoted in J R Newman, The World of Mathematics
Motion is impossible at the end of any critical examination, certainly to philosophy, which is informed by all branches of science.
And those alleged 'other disciplines'?
What sounds ridiculous to you is hardly a refutal or a rebuttal.Maybe you should look up which study gave Feynman his Nobel prize. You will realize how ridiculous it sounds the idea that he advocated for a motionless, unchanging universe.Nameless wrote:Since you seem to have a proclivity for well used and well respected leaders of their fields, have you ever heard of the Nobel physicist Richard Feynman?;
Every moment of existence exists Now!
"The Laws of Nature are not rules controlling the metamorphosis of what is, into what will be. They are descriptions of patterns that exist, all at once... " - Genius; the Life and Science of Richard Feynman
All 'eternity' at once; Here! Now!!
A Holistic Universe!
No motion, no time = no time/motion for creation, no time/motion for evolution.
What is, naively, seen as 'evolution' is merely a... conglomeration of multiple Perspectives (of the One Universal Consciousness), Here! Now! of the One Reality/Universe/Truth.
The notion of flying machines sounded ridiculous to many.
Until the evidence became more evident.
And trying to dismiss Feynman's brilliance/genius on such nigggardly ( the double 'g', for some reason, got censored) grounds is unworthy of response.
Where's YOUR Nobel, for anything!?
So, you appeal to Feynman to refute biology. You must be clueless, because I can't think of a worse strategy. Feynman was a theoretical Physicist, not a biologist.Nameless wrote:In short, your 'evolution' is a mirage founded on a mirage (the common dream within a dream of 'reality') that is not possible otherwise, 'make-believe'.
It is a theory that will, eventually become obsolete, just like your 'materialism'.
That aught to either fulfill your demands for food for rational thought, another Perspective, and if not, I haven't wasted too much time. *__-
You are floundering in the confusion and emotional need to defend and validate, any way possible, your invested beliefs.
QM informs all other branches of science, or they become unhinged to Reality and as obsolete as the materialistic strain of your beliefs.
Physics, QM, in simple terms, 'informs' biology.
Well, that's obviously completely false. Consistenly, consciousness and agency is only found in material bodies with nervous systems.Nameless wrote:Materialism/physicalism is obsolete because it has never proven it's 'assertion' that Consciousness/thought is manufactured or stored in the brain, or anywhere else, for that matter.
This is getting boring. There is no good science to support your beliefs, and much the opposite.
I offered a valid response to your demands.
It didn't occur to me that no matter what I offered, if it threatens your beliefs, it will be summarily argued, dismissed, ignored, attacked with fallacious arguments...
Belief infections are highly symptomatic.
Everything but logical/rational.
As far as I am concerned, I answered your demanded answer and presented a consistent alternative Perspective to 'evolution/creation'.
What you think about it, what you must think about it, is not my concern.
There is so much logically wrong with this mess that I am not going to waste any more time with it. Especially since 'logic' doesn't seem to hold as high a place as your emotional needs.All the wishful thinking in the world cannot change that fact. So far, no alternative has been found. No "non-material" system is known, what it's made of, how it works, what are its components, its relationships, nothing, zero. A complete void. Start getting something, that's what I call getting serious.
I am not trying to convince you of anything, I gave what was asked.
What you do with it is your problem;
All 'meaning' exists in the 'eye (thoughts) of the beholder'!
Happy Trails! *__-