Did the universe exist for ever or does it have a beginning?

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As I understand it mirrors aren't perfectly reflective? Do you have a source Wayne? Would be interested to read more.
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Euk;

My only source if the fact that I have done it, some twenty yeas ago.

In my kitchen, dinning room and live room there are five large windows.
As I stood at the corner of the kitchen and dinning room, I noticed that there were multiple reflections of the same image in one of the window.

I experimented with eight mirrors forming the octagon and multiple images of the same Reality appeared in a Single mirror.

The Important symbols of the World are an abomination of the Secret code of the universe, The Lost Symbol, that of
a perfect square that has no corners. a corner being a 90 degree angle, all the crosses, the Swastika, all monoliths, megaliths, Pyramids, the circle and of course the Octagon, the Ark of the Covenant, Noah's Ark, the Megalith, the monolith.

A rectangle is a square, a perfect square having four equal sides.

You can turn a "perfect square into circle by drawing a perfect square not having any corners.

If you are will to spend the money to buy the mirrors and it does not work I will refund your money.

I can not lose, it works!
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oh. I wonder, where do you get this confidence?
For example if I play football and I try to control a ball, mistime it slightly, then am beaten to the ball by a quicker friend (who is not a professional) who then runs around me (easily), plays a one two and scores. I kind of think to myself, after it happens multiple times, that I'm not actually that good at football. If I was divide all men (of my age) into three groups I would be the top of the worst group or the worst of the middle group.
I guess I'm saying I use reality as a tool to judge performance. I've never played American Football, I am 100% sure I would not make it as a professional and I would also guess that I would be in the middle of group 3 (the worst group). If I trained I could maybe do better and move into group 2, I will never ever be in group 1 (it's far too late).
I guess what I'm really saying is that I don't understand why someone would think they know about something, which they clearly know nothing about.
I assume you realise this, so in effect me taking you at face value is just dumb on my part. I'm ok with that day to day, it's just I hoped you knew something I didn't.
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Eduk;
it's just I hoped you knew something I didn't.
Perhaps I do.

Make your question more clear.

The Sun is the light unto the World, The World of Reality as seen in the Light of Day.

There is more to Sun Worship, the Sun God than meets the Eye, thine Single Eye, the Mirror of your MInd.
Notice the capital M in Mind. Meaning that mind is a proper noun, the name of a person, place or thing.

The World is screwed up because of Metaphors, Language being just so much Babble, hog wash, being Blasphemous..
The Plight of Women is the result of Woman being used as a metaphor, Woman a metaphor taking on many of the characteristics of that which the word Woman is the metaphor for.


Woman, Spirituality, irrationality, having no substance, not a maternity, having no material worth, being born of Air, having no relative, numerical value, having a numerical value of Zero-0, Nada, Nothing, Zip, Zilch, Nothingness.

There is a substance in the Universe that has no substance, no Mass, "Pure Unadulterated Energy", existing without cause.

Woman are not bound to the Material World of Reality, are Flighty, Ambiguous, Free do as they Will.
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Eduk; what do you know about polishing your mystic mirror, the mirror of your mind, your sixth sense, Thine Single, thine Third, Evil, Eye.

Why do you think that some kill female babies, when first born.
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The Right Winger and the Left Winger.

Some men fear Women, the Fundamentalist Male Muslim being a Male Chauvinistic Pig,

A woman can turn a man into a beast, a Pig.

why do many not eat pork. your become what you eat are vegetarians? not the Masculine Man.
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I wonder, where do you get this confidence?

Confidence about what?

be specific so I can answer your question.
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. I wonder, where do you get this confidence?
From experience.
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The correct (most objective) answer is both. It has a Beginning and an Ending, but strangely enough the distance between them is infinity (as we measure and experience time).

Usually, time is mapped as a line, so I'll use a line as an example.

An infinite Universe, with no beginning or end, would be diagrammed like this: <--------------------------->

A finite Universe would be diagrammed like this: .-----------------------------.

The actual Universe is both. From the POV of the Universe Itself, or if we could imagine ourselves stepping outside the Universe and viewing it as an outsider, it would be a line segment, with a beginning and end point. I would call this the 'Objective' view.

From the POV of a being existing inside the Universe, the time of the Universe would be mapped as a ray, as in the first example above. And that is exactly how the Universe is from the POV of an internal observer - infinite, with no beginning or ending. I might call this the 'Subjective' view.

So while the Universe does indeed have a beginning and ending, from our POV ('our time') it's infinite. The Beginning and Ending do exist, but they are an infinite distance away from the present in terms of time.
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Wayne92587 wrote: April 23rd, 2018, 1:54 pm The Right Winger and the Left Winger.

Some men fear Women, the Fundamentalist Male Muslim being a Male Chauvinistic Pig,

A woman can turn a man into a beast, a Pig.

why do many not eat pork. your become what you eat are vegetarians? not the Masculine Man.
Yes, it's much better to eat bovine females, female fowl, pigs and other prey animals. That's the masculine man today. Feminine grazers who will eat anything while squawking.
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Kaprel, I think Wayne was referring not to the absurd notion of masculine display behaviour via plastic wrapped pieces of animal carcass so much as metaphorical cannibalism. That is, he is saying that extreme patriarchs recognise themselves in pigs and thus eschew their meat.

I disagree, though, because domesticated pigs display an affectionate, if testing, disposition. I suppose the issue is not species but "domestication" - poorly domesticated humans.

Re: the topic - there was apparently a state change in the universe, or our part of the universe, about 14b years ago. The situation before that time is even more hazy.
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Greta wrote: May 4th, 2018, 7:02 pm Kaprel, I think Wayne was referring not to the absurd notion of masculine display behaviour via plastic wrapped pieces of animal carcass so much as metaphorical cannibalism. That is, he is saying that extreme patriarchs recognise themselves in pigs and thus eschew their meat.
OK. I thought he was saying vegetarians were not masculine, but that meat eaters were. I did find his post confusing, but I couldn't resist parodying it, now apparantly too hastily.

Patriarchs should eschew lion meat. Male lion meet that is, on those grounds of self-recognition.
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Karpel Tunnel wrote: May 5th, 2018, 12:45 am
Greta wrote: May 4th, 2018, 7:02 pmKaprel, I think Wayne was referring not to the absurd notion of masculine display behaviour via plastic wrapped pieces of animal carcass so much as metaphorical cannibalism. That is, he is saying that extreme patriarchs recognise themselves in pigs and thus eschew their meat.
OK. I thought he was saying vegetarians were not masculine, but that meat eaters were. I did find his post confusing, but I couldn't resist parodying it, now apparantly too hastily.

Patriarchs should eschew lion meat. Male lion meet that is, on those grounds of self-recognition.
It was a tricky one, much trickier than spelling your name correctly :)
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syednoorhussain wrote: April 15th, 2018, 1:54 pm . Can anyone point to philosophers who discussed these issues. Thanks
There is another way to look at this. Since the existence of the universe includes time itself, it is not possible to say that there was a beginning since there was no time before the universe existed.
In a sense both are true. The universe had a beginning AND has lasted for all time. In other words the universe has existed for ever.
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Time, Space and Motion each existed as Zero-0 Point Singularities prior to the Creation of the Reality of First Cause.
The zero-hour existing before Time became Realitive.
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