What is the beginning of Knowledge?

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Knowledge begins with a Question Mark?
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Knowledge begins by answering a question.
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Wayne92587 wrote: July 15th, 2018, 1:28 am Knowledge begins by answering a question.
Without knowledge, questioning is not possible.
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Mosesquine wrote: July 14th, 2018, 11:50 pm
Karpel Tunnel wrote: July 14th, 2018, 6:59 pm

So you see what we would call a red triangle in front of you. I don't see how you can conclude that it is in front of you, that there is a you, how the ideas of objects being seen by a subject come up, where one is supposed to focus, etc.


The main point so far is how we know something by sensations. It is one of the topics in epistemology, i.e. philosophy of knowledge or theories of knowledge. The topics about how objects look like to us, and about how we see objects are ones of the topics in philosophy of perception, and in cognitive science.
Sure, me know what epistemology is. Me wonder how experienced sensations lead to knowledge, even questions.
I am giving little pushes towards intention, assumptions (even wrong ones), desire and exploring being necessary to have knowledge.
You cannot just sense and gain knowledge. You gotta have goals and heuristics. even if the goal is 'I want less discomfort'
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ThomasHobbes wrote: July 15th, 2018, 4:19 am
Wayne92587 wrote: July 15th, 2018, 1:28 am Knowledge begins by answering a question.
Without knowledge, questioning is not possible.
I agree. On the other hand, is knowledge possible without intention, exploring, desire and assumptions? IOW a motion that could be, in a very broad sense, be called questioning or at least, seeking to know.
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Karpel Tunnel wrote: July 15th, 2018, 5:40 am
Mosesquine wrote: July 14th, 2018, 11:50 pm



The main point so far is how we know something by sensations. It is one of the topics in epistemology, i.e. philosophy of knowledge or theories of knowledge. The topics about how objects look like to us, and about how we see objects are ones of the topics in philosophy of perception, and in cognitive science.
Sure, me know what epistemology is. Me wonder how experienced sensations lead to knowledge, even questions.
I am giving little pushes towards intention, assumptions (even wrong ones), desire and exploring being necessary to have knowledge.
You cannot just sense and gain knowledge. You gotta have goals and heuristics. even if the goal is 'I want less discomfort'


Your question seems to be a question asking how perceptual knowledge obtained by sensations is justified. There are some traditions called naturalized epistemology such that the conditions of knowing that p can be established without justified in believing that p. Some keywords are recommended to be checked out: naturalized epistemology, reliabilism, externalism/internalism.
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Karpel Tunnel wrote: July 15th, 2018, 6:11 am
ThomasHobbes wrote: July 15th, 2018, 4:19 am

Without knowledge, questioning is not possible.
I agree. On the other hand, is knowledge possible without intention, exploring, desire and assumptions? IOW a motion that could be, in a very broad sense, be called questioning or at least, seeking to know.
As has already been mentioned we come equipped with some knowledge, and the potential to learn more.
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The beginning of knowledge is experience, they are one and the same.
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Ghazanfar Arif wrote: June 28th, 2018, 3:34 am Hi guys,

I want to know about the following statements/pharases which one is correct to you and why


Wonder is the beginning of knowledge.

Skepticism is the beginning of knowledge.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.

is there any interactions between them or it is your personnel experience three or correct.
The fear of the lord inspires towards knowledge that you must know, for your soul to be judged as good. Mainly it involves understanding of making choices, free will, emotions, the soul, God. Practical knowledge, wisdom, about moral issues.

Skepticism, to provide the best arguments for and against a position.

Wonder, more geared to understanding only things which are considered beautiful.
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Experience is the only thing that is knowledge. :) It can be direct or indirect, one can learn the knowledge of others through reading of their knowledge/experience. :)
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One must fear God if your knowledge is the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Indirect knowledge is the knowledge of Good and Evil. The Knowledge of Good and Evil, is actually Absolutly Bad Kmowledge mistaken to be Absolutely Good Knowedge is duplicitous, guilefull, is Evil. Knowledge born of Reason, rationalisasion subjective reasoning, results in an Abomonations, Evil.
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I am an atheist.
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So what: so am I.

Ancient Knowledge has to be properly interpreted. The Knowledge of Good and Evil, duplicity, guilefulness is very real. Asolutley Bad Knowledge mistaken to be Acsolutely Good Knowledge. Look up the word rationalization. Even though to ratioonalize means to reasion, The Knopwledge of Good and Evil is the result of Rationazatiom, is an Abomination, Evil Dupicitous, is the Knowledge of Good and Evil is Absolutrely Bad Knowledge, Absollutelyil Bad Knowledge being the Knowledge of Nothing!, not being the Knowledge of anything, is not Knowledge, is an Illusiom of Reality.
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Sorry but I think your talking nonsense.
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I am sure that for you it is nonsense.
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