Music has been claimed to be the closest we can get to ontic order. Maybe so, however order is epistemic not ontic. If God existed then, for God, order would be ontic. But we cannot be God and neither can conscious computers be God.The answer lies in the nature of the equations; they were nonlinear equations. While they are difficult to solve, nonlinear systems are central to chaos theory and often exhibit fantastically complex and chaotic behavior.
Can a man-made computer become conscious?
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I think that evolution is essentially evolution of consciousness. But because consciousness needs a material basis, we have our bodies to make our being possible. Our bodies, including brains, are our instruments for being, and we make other instruments, like computers, to improve our mental capacities. So our bodies, brains and computers are not conscious, and science cannot find consciousness in our brains or computers. Science finds consciousness in our behaviour as we understand each other, and consciousness is already presupposed in our understanding. This science is called psychology. Neuroscience only finds correlates of consciousness.Greta wrote:Only the emergence of life, multicelluarilty and humanity were more "magical".Atreyu wrote:Nothing would be more "magical" than a machine transforming itself into a conscious entity....
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The Butterfly effect is born of an affect, an UN-caused cause.
The Reality of First Cause, the First Singularity to have relative, a numerical, Value of One-1, exists as a creation, exists as the result of the Transfiguration of a Singularity having no relative, numerical value, that has a numerical value, the rebirth of a Singularity of Zero-0, Nada, Zip, Zilch, Nothing.
The Reality of First Cause, being an affect, the First Singularity to be metaphorically converted into First Singularity to have relative, a numerical value of One-1.
A Singularity of One-1 is Identical to a singularity of Zero-0 except for the Fact that the motion of a Singularity of Zero-0 is meaningless while the Motion of a Singularity of One-1 has angular momentum, velocity of Location and Momentum and therefore for is measurable as Location and Momentum in Space-Time, the four-dimensional World of Reality of the Universe.
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Sits in my skull
A curled gray beast
Molded to its cup of bone,
Alone.
The outside world
It cannot know.
Not light, air, bulk nor hues.
Just clues.
The nexus of
A finespun net
Which terminates its axon fist
In mist.
Its billion lines
Transmit responses
Sifting pulses; all compiled
And filed.
Confusion, first ubiquitous.
Unvectored bits, zero, one
'Til the sources are assigned,
Aligned.
Woven nerves
Festooned with figures;
Puzzled with the patterns, matching,
Hatching.
Lacing through
From point to point.
Architecting, congruencing,
Sensing.
Congealing concepts.
Counting, seeking.
Logic engine freely dreaming,
Scheming.
Fitting this,
Forming that,
Smoothing, joining, multiplying.
Trying.
Granting trope
Its own dynamic.
Now it all agglomerates
And mates.
Sloughing off
All errata,
Chaos clears.
Universe
Appears.
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Meanwhile, the question I have for those who see humans as receivers of a more, um, general consciousness: do you think that machines will also act as receivers of consciousness?
Of those who see consciousness as a product of brains, opinion is divided as to whether ITT applies. That is, whether consciousness can be generated via achieving a critical threshold of integration in an array of complex and tightly looped inputs and outputs, or whether the "wetware" of biological brains is necessary.
I used to figure that the flow of consciousness would require the flexibility of fluid dynamics until someone pointed out that electricity flows similarly.
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Jan Sand wrote:Creation Of The Universe
Sits in my skull
A curled gray beast
Molded to its cup of bone,
Alone.
The outside world
It cannot know.
Not light, air, bulk nor hues.
Just clues.
The nexus of
A finespun net
Which terminates its axon fist
In mist.
If it were not alone it would lack any basis for comparisons with other brain-minds' nexuses.
[/Its billion lines
Transmit responses
Sifting pulses; all compiled
And filed.
Confusion, first ubiquitous.
Unvectored bits, zero, one
'Til the sources are assigned,
Aligned.
Woven nerves
Festooned with figures;
Puzzled with the patterns, matching,
Hatching.
Lacing through
From point to point.
Architecting, congruencing,
Sensing.
Congealing concepts.
Counting, seeking.
Logic engine freely dreaming,
Scheming.
Fitting this,
Forming that,
Smoothing, joining, multiplying.
Trying.
Granting trope
Its own dynamic.
Now it all agglomerates
And mates.
Sloughing off
All errata,
Chaos clears.
Universe
Appears.
Other minds are the special "clues" which the lonely brain uses to generate changes?
Greta wrote:
I'd say, not until the machine perceives itself as a subject among other subjects.Meanwhile, the question I have for those who see humans as receivers of a more, um, general consciousness: do you think that machines will also act as receivers of consciousness?
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A thought provoking answer, Belinda.Belindi wrote:I'd say, not until the machine perceives itself as a subject among other subjects.Meanwhile, the question I have for those who see humans as receivers of a more, um, general consciousness: do you think that machines will also act as receivers of consciousness?
Do you think this could this happen in increments, that one might see oneself as a subject amongst subjects to some extent?
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Yes, I do. I think that humans can and do become more, or less as the case may be, like machines. But I'm not recommending the old -time religion, Free Will, route.Greta wrote:A thought provoking answer, Belinda.Belindi wrote: (Nested quote removed.)
I'd say, not until the machine perceives itself as a subject among other subjects.
Do you think this could this happen in increments, that one might see oneself as a subject amongst subjects to some extent?
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-- Updated November 24th, 2017, 3:12 am to add the following --
Man that exists in the first person singular simply states that I am.
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