Can a man-made computer become conscious?

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Total control of algorithms , could be just achieve via a formalization implemented via an lstm neural Network, that translates situations or Information perceived or written in a signature and uses then lstm-sorted inference results from unification for the Information.
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When computers are set free, as with the computer that learned to become a GO master by playing thousands of games with itself in a very short time, no one knows how it managed that expertise. But it now beats the best experts. The complexities of the manufacturing and financial world profit extensively with machines that can out think humans and history well indicates that anything that makes large profits will be researched and constructed, no matter the dangers.
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Jan Sand wrote: April 19th, 2018, 5:25 am When computers are set free, as with the computer that learned to become a GO master by playing thousands of games with itself in a very short time, no one knows how it managed that expertise. But it now beats the best experts. The complexities of the manufacturing and financial world profit extensively with machines that can out think humans and history well indicates that anything that makes large profits will be researched and constructed, no matter the dangers.
Chemical and nuclear weapons lack moral autonomy and are made relatively safe by means of international law. Intelligent machines that lack moral autonomy can be controlled by international law.
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History has well indicated that international law is regularly violated whenever it suits the choices of both nations and individuals. The whole situation in Gaza is an international violation, as was the initial attack of the US on Iraq. Hitler's initiation of WWII was an open violation. No doubt an individual creation of a dangerous artificial intellect could be a legal violation but once it invades the digital landscape, whether or not it is illegal has no effect on the following disasters.
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The idea of objectivity is more of an idea of recreation. In an original spectrum there is an identity for a unique x from an identity x. There is A as reality. The multiplication map is the vision of objectivity to recreate the sphere algorithm to a reality that was more homogenous. From my POV, there is no confusion in its nature or in its mechanical algorithms. This ring spectrum in today’s world does not confuse classes or the abilities in the different elements of the periodic table. What good is a button if there is not a hand to push it… or as a toy button for a child that it functions just as well. However, peeling the rings is harder than it looks. The chemical links are long gone and the model categories require recreations/fibrations until a result of homotopy equivalence. The question is of what and not who can do that. I have a vision of a tree… and whao!! There is the snake.
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Jan Sand wrote: April 19th, 2018, 10:05 am History has well indicated that international law is regularly violated whenever it suits the choices of both nations and individuals. The whole situation in Gaza is an international violation, as was the initial attack of the US on Iraq. Hitler's initiation of WWII was an open violation. No doubt an individual creation of a dangerous artificial intellect could be a legal violation but once it invades the digital landscape, whether or not it is illegal has no effect on the following disasters.

All true , Jan. It's the best we can do however.
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Then the best we can do is wait for the catastrophe and not be surprised when it occurs.
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Jan Sand wrote: April 19th, 2018, 11:14 am Then the best we can do is wait for the catastrophe and not be surprised when it occurs.
Airing concerns repeatedly might make the difference in nipping something in the bud right before it is too late. IOW perhaps a smaller catastrophe will take place before the total one.
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If you consider the current trends of global warming and nuclear war, either one making the planet no longer a place where life can survive, as minor nuisances, you may retain peace of mind.
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Jan Sand wrote: April 19th, 2018, 12:46 pm If you consider the current trends of global warming and nuclear war, either one making the planet no longer a place where life can survive, as minor nuisances, you may retain peace of mind.
I was thinking in terms of a not total catastrophe related to AI. Say one goes berserk in our terms and harms us, but does not become like Skynet. That we could learn from.
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The problem with an independent and free wheeling artificial intelligence is that it is the indication that there is a major loss of control free to roam throughout the entire digital landscape. Like the old phrase that a woman is slightly pregnant, the implications of total disaster cannot be avoided. There is no such thing as a touch of cancer.
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Jan Sand wrote: April 19th, 2018, 11:14 am Then the best we can do is wait for the catastrophe and not be surprised when it occurs.
The passive attitude is part of the right response. The main response is to retain some dignity for the sake of our own pride(or for God if you're a believer) and strive to make things better.
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Jan Sand wrote: April 20th, 2018, 1:04 am The problem with an independent and free wheeling artificial intelligence is that it is the indication that there is a major loss of control free to roam throughout the entire digital landscape. Like the old phrase that a woman is slightly pregnant, the implications of total disaster cannot be avoided. There is no such thing as a touch of cancer.
Even in the old days women could take abortifactant herbs, and our bodies our bodies can take care of a touch of cancer and precancerous growths. Though in the latter case, yes, once the doctor is telling you about cancer, it is harder, though not necessarily deadly even without treatment. And who knows which or if either of your analogies fits AI problems. A free AI roaming the internet does not necessarily mean it will kill us off or be able to. Let alone whether it will decide to. It may, and I am sure as **** concerned and think those researchers are playing fast and loose, but I am not certain it will destroy us all. I also think it possible that we may realize, before some entire digital world takeover, that we don't have a handle on AIs. One might decide to do something of much more limited destruction and we realize it is not under our control. You on the other hand think it is already to late. I can't imagine posting in a philosophy forum if I believed it all will, period, lead to the end. I'd spend my time with loved ones or take a walk or have sex. Try to get as much out of life as possible before the AI necessarily exterminates us. Of course, that's me.
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Belindi wrote: April 20th, 2018, 5:28 am
Jan Sand wrote: April 19th, 2018, 11:14 am Then the best we can do is wait for the catastrophe and not be surprised when it occurs.
The passive attitude is part of the right response. The main response is to retain some dignity for the sake of our own pride(or for God if you're a believer) and strive to make things better.
Striving to make things better is not passive, so I assume by main response you are referring to what you think it the wrong response. I think one can retain pride either way. In both/either pathological and/or positive ways.
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After a long life well stocked with massive frustrations the concept of personal pride can only be viewed with a somewhat wistful small smile. With the current society totally submerged in the wild farce of people totally devoted to getting rich while leaping towards several varieties of oblivion I can only suppose something somewhere is rolling on the floor laughing.
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