Socialism and the ethics of reason i.e. meritocracy, favours the strong, fast, smart,aggressive, brave, and lucky. At this time the fight is engaged to improve social mobility and lessen the wealth differential.Nature has its own version. People (and others) are not punished for being bad, rather they are punished for being weak, slow, soft, dumb, gentle, fearful or unlucky. Our ancestors were the strong, fast, smart, aggressive, brave and lucky.
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INstead of writing that you could have eaten some ice cream, taken a nice walk, helps someone suffer less...Jan Sand wrote: ↑June 20th, 2018, 4:45 am Along with global warming which should devastate the bulk of vital agriculture within a mere few decades and provoke world wide conflict about billions of refugees, plus the massive destruction of all sorts of animals which are sorely needed to maintain planetary life, the incredibly stupid social systems that are destroying plant life which produces vital oxygen, the wide use of chemical poisons for various purposes, the hair trigger nuclear missile systems and the downright moronic national leaderships indicate the bulk of current civilization will see to it that whoever survives the oncoming catastrophes will succumb soon after. You and I will have lots of company when we vanish.
made things more pleasurable or pleasant for yourself or someone else.
I mean if you really believe what you say.
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If you think it is inevitable, which is how you present it, why don't you enjoy life as much as you can and/or perform some acts of kindness?
If you don't think it is inevitable, why present it that way?
Given your question it seems like you do not think it is inevitable. Why present it that way then?
Pointing out severe threats, painting them as likely can motivate.
Painting the situation as hopeless does not motivate.
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You could eliminate them from society by deciding they were criminals [due to their unethical behaviour] and were to be restrained until they died. Just like we do now.
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I think it is odd you do not suffer. I also enjoy life, but the threats you are talking do cause me suffering, even though I do not think it is inevitable, which is how you present it.
The thought that all humans will die does not bother you?
I really find your motivations hard to understand. It isnt empathy or self-concern that drives you to tell people they will all die and their children will die. It isn't in the hope that they will change somehow.
You are enjoying life and not suffering.
Sorry that just doesn't all fit together for me.
Perhaps it is just poor rhetoric on your part. You think that making it seem inevitable is the only way to reach people. I think that shows a poor sense of psychology.
Perhaps when you say you are not suffering, you are just being defensive, and think this would be some kind of failure or weakness. If so, all I can say is, not to me. It would be natural and even a sign of a compassionate person.
But I will drop the issue since it is to the man and not the topic.
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Jan Sand wrote: ↑June 20th, 2018, 4:45 am Along with global warming which should devastate the bulk of vital agriculture within a mere few decades and provoke world wide conflict about billions of refugees, plus the massive destruction of all sorts of animals which are sorely needed to maintain planetary life, the incredibly stupid social systems that are destroying plant life which produces vital oxygen, the wide use of chemical poisons for various purposes, the hair trigger nuclear missile systems and the downright moronic national leaderships indicate the bulk of current civilization will see to it that whoever survives the oncoming catastrophes will succumb soon after. You and I will have lots of company when we vanish.
All of Jan's futurology, above, is undeniable. This is the apocalypse and is happening now. I wish that people on a philosophy forum of all places would agree that this is happening. At least we can be aware of it.
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When all is said at what is done, how the sum is tabulated
Whereupon our mechanism manufactures vital jism
Promoting consequence of enduring ism that duels nows
To murder them onto the kitchen middens of history and philosophy
Remains a mystery.
Decisions’ thunderbolts confront the blunt necessities of survival.
The ifs and hows flow constantly in rushing streams of possibilities
That thrash and smash with no concern of meteoric trajectory
Or whether Hiroshima might descend into atomic night
Or when or why Rome might burn. Each turn of the second hand
Lays out that Godlike demand where suns vanish into the unknowable
And galaxies bloom from dust while frogs and honeybees succumb to disease.
The ingenuities of chaos copulates in chronological delight wherein we molecules
Surrender to the gratuities of fate, to the amusing dance of fools whose wisdoms
Fluctuate on mental digestive gases which masquerades as ideology.
There is small recompense to percolate patterns of sense out of the fields of perpetuity
That bow and submit to the undecipherable.
Every end becomes a new beginning to seam the seems of fluctuating dreams
Where witnessing must become sufficient in our dewdrop of existence.
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Me too. But I meant the human species. It's hard to let go of after all we might be more angels than devils.
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Perhaps your scenario is incomplete. Religions lay down the moral laws whichever apply to that society. For instance the UK is largely a post-Christian society and Christian ethics are largely presumed to be the best. Most people don't live by those ethics all the time but most know about them, and only sociopaths, as Melania's coat, don't care. So there is light in the darkness. Religions are not ideologies unless they become politicised or otherwise rationalised and turned into idolatries.The bulk of humans adapt to the conditions that permit them to exist within whatever context the find themselves.
Unlike bacteria you and I look to good that transcends the world and don't live by bread alone.
As to my use of Biblical expressions I am not religiously indoctrinated and I can be objective. If you inspect your own prose and poetry I bet you could find Biblical metaphors and even some Biblical attitudes, along with the Shakespearean ones. One cannot think in or communicate in a private language.
Even as we engage in the apocalypse we still love beauty.
Let's also think of soldiers, trained killers who murder to order. Many of the common soldiers who obey orders hate what they do. Also there are just wars.
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