Can a man-made computer become conscious?

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The Sacred Nature of Time as spoken of, as is the Truth when speaking of, giving a name, an Identity to God, is an abomination; It seems that no one truly has Knowledge of Self; One’s knowledge of self when attempting to give a name, an Identity, when speaking of self as a metaphor, becomes an abomination, as does the metaphor that is used. Man’s, his and her, existence, your existence or non-exsitence becomes, Uncertain, Unknown, also becomes an abomination, when spoken of.
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Could a robot know as an observer that its awareness was stationary relative to the speed of light taking the position of neutrality between two Different inertial changing ref frames as thee non
changing thing in the changing system .
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Camalot15 wrote:Could a robot know as an observer that its awareness was stationary relative to the speed of light taking the position of neutrality between two Different inertial changing ref frames as thee non
changing thing in the changing system .

no
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Belindi it must be apparent that consciousness is not manufactured by any physics system but is part and parcel of the organising logic that is inherently relating everything one to another in the event. This can be seen in quantum mechanics where the consciousness of the observation alters the physics of the system. Consciousness of an observer must exist there for inside the frame of reference of c the constant speed of light being part and parcel of the probability wave.

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Belindi it must be apparent that consciousness is not manufactured by any physics system but is part and parcel of the organising logic that is inherently relating everything one to another in the event. This can be seen in quantum mechanics where the consciousness of the observation alters the physics of the system. Consciousness of an observer must exist there for inside the frame of reference of c the constant speed of light being part and parcel of the probability wave.
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Are you must be referring to how it's impossible entirely to be objective?

The above question is different from the following question:

don't you think that , unlike the conscious brain-mind, the computer cannot feel anything?

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Camalot, there was an error in my reply to you. The word 'must' is redundant and is an editing error.
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The logic organised the big bang into existence as if it were dreaming it. Consciousness is logic and not physics.
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Camalot15 wrote:The logic organised the big bang into existence as if it were dreaming it. Consciousness is logic and not physics.
But consciousness is not the same as logic. Neither is consciousness physics. This is really eccentric use of terms.

Logic cannot dream or organise. This is eccentric use of the term 'logic'. You need to write using the same lexicon as almost everybody else.
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I believe there is an inherent logic that creates and organises everything in existance and the root awareness of the observer is part and parcel of that logic as consciousness. Logic is the omni presents in the big bang event that existed before time and matter existed in logic.

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Pi 22/7 is an example of inherant logic in the system presenting its self as a geometric constant.

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Belindi wrote:
Camalot15 wrote:The logic organised the big bang into existence as if it were dreaming it. Consciousness is logic and not physics.
But consciousness is not the same as logic. Neither is consciousness physics. This is really eccentric use of terms.

Logic cannot dream or organise. This is eccentric use of the term 'logic'. You need to write using the same lexicon as almost everybody else.
belindi .The universe is an expression of eternity in action as the universe. What I am saying is that logic is eternities way conducting the action. For example relativity. There an innate logic implanted in action and matter. Action is eternity expressing its self via logic in the action.
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Camalot 15
Belindi's post; consciousness is not the same as logic. Neither is consciousness physics. This is really eccentric use of terms.
Belindi is absolutely Correct!

Consciousness is not born logic, the physics of Cause and Effect, has no single direct material cause, is a Affect.

When speaking of Consciousness your are giving a Name, an Identity, to Man's sacred, secret Knowledge, Thoughts, Imagination.

Consciousness of the Rational Mind is an Affect, is not an effect born of Logic.

The Theory of the Big Bang, the Expanding Universe, much of Man's Consciousness , his and her World of Reality is born of Darkness, can not be seen in the Light of Day, is born of Rationalization, is a Creation born of the Consciousness of the Rational Mind, Wisdom, is not born of ordinary natural means, is not born of Logic which is bound to cause and effect, objective proofs, is an affect, a Reality that is Born of the Rational Mind, is an Illusion of Realty, is a Dream, is born of Absolutely Bad Knowledge mistaken to be Absolutely Good Knowledge.

Consciousness is a Creation that is meant to be Mankind's Helpmate, is only meant to influence not dominate his and her World of Reality, Mind, as seen in the Light of Day.

Hermes Trismegistus, Lord of the Ring, Keeper of the Holy Grail--->0

Ye, Amen Ra, Make it so.
As below so above, as above so below.
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As above so below. When above and below are one in the same thing as logic they are eternity.

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As above so below. When above and below are one in the same thing as logic they are eternity.
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Camalot, this dictionary says what most people mean by 'logic'.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/logic

You will see that logic is something that people do. It is a way of thinking that people sometimes use . Things other than people cannot use logic.

Why don't you just use the usual meanings of words?

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Camalot wrote:
I believe there is an inherent logic that creates and organises everything in existance and the root awareness of the observer is part and parcel of that logic as consciousness. Logic is the omni presents in the big bang event that existed before time and matter existed in logic.
What you mean is that the universe makes sense; that consciousness is part of the universe that makes sense; and that the nature of the universe is determined since the Big Bang.
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Yes that sounds good.
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Belindi and Camalot15; it is obvious to me that your are both Right Brain dominate.

Rationalize; to attribute (one's actions) to rational and creditable motives without analysis of true and especially unconscious motives.

"Philosophy ... is essentially the endeavor of the human mind to rationalize the universe" (Francis E. Abbot).

Belindi, Rationalization provides an explanation to The Theory of the Big Bang is a Reality, is
Fact.

Rationalization; to attribute (one's actions) to rational and creditable motives without analysis of true and especially unconscious motives.

The validity of the Theory of the Big Bang is a rationalization.

Camalot15 your understanding of, as Above so Below, as below so above, is a rationalization, is not born of Logic.

Camolat15, speaking of the Sacred, Secret, hidden thoughts as to meaning of as above so below, as below so above is an abomination.

Camalot15 your explanation of as Above so Below, as below so above is a rationalization, is not born of Logic.

Neither the use of Logic or Reason, makes something true, a Fact, a Reality.

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Logic; a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration.

Rationalize; to substitute a natural for a supernatural explanation of
to provide plausible but untrue reasons for conduct

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Camalot15; there are so many interpretations of as Above so Below, as Below so above, all of of which are an abomination.

I will give you my interpretation.

A Fractal, Fraction, a Singularity having a dual Quality is rational only so long as the Numerator (that which is above) is not greater than the denominator (that which is below).

Should the numerator become greater than the denominator, the whole Fractal, Fraction, Entity, becomes Irrational, an abomination.

In order for the whole of a Single Entity, number, having a dual quality, said Singularity, Fractal, Faction, must be a Rational Number or be a Fraction that has been reduced to the lowest common denominator. It is possible for a fractal, a singularity having a dual quality to become a Whole Number, the Two becoming One-1 as long as that which is above is the same as that which is below, as long as that which is below is the same as that which is above.
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Water running down a hill will turn right and left as a part of a system . An observer may say that water is find its way by logic. As an observer we apply the word logic onto systems including or own thinking.

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Logic exists without consciousness. Because logic is consciousness. Logic conducts the physics illusion from eternity back into eternity.

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An even the hairs of your head are number.
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Camalot15;

As an observer we apply the word logic onto systems including or own thinking.
True, as long as our thinking is based upon Materiality, the Reality of the objective, Physical World of Reality.

Camalot15;
Logic conducts the physics illusion from eternity back into eternity.
No!
It is Rationalization conducts the Imaginary Physics, Illusion, from start to finish.


Thoughts that own their existence to Illusion may be Logical in structure but in fact do not exist as a Reality. Logic in order to be material must be Rational, are in truth meaningless.

The end goal of Logic is, Rational thought, is not to Rationalize.The end goal of Rational thought is to be Logical.
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