Can a man-made computer become conscious?
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consciousness, for a lot of people, is free will, and in that absurd idea, it's the ability to choose and see our decisions being carried out
but blah blah blah, i think i'm rambling
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Rambling.synapticattack wrote:if people are "conscious" so are plants, other animals, a lot of people think consciousness is being able to think, our thinking nature is just that, it's just different, not necessarily better or clearer or more advanced, it's just how we operate
consciousness, for a lot of people, is free will, and in that absurd idea, it's the ability to choose and see our decisions being carried out
but blah blah blah, i think i'm rambling
More importantly, making wild and unsupported statements.
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hey
definition of a computer
Also called processor. an electronic device designed to accept data, perform prescribed mathematical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations.
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But this does not constitute for a soul. So no to the second question.
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1. Human beings are conscious
2. What makes us conscious is our brain
3. What makes us conscious is our thoughts, which basically reside in the brain
4. Our thoughts are held in neurons
5. Neurons are living ( they are cells, cells are living biological units)
6. Neurons are made of atoms
7. If the neurons are made of atoms and the neurons are alive, then I believe that it is because all of the neuron's atoms are alive as well.
That's basically my opinion
p.s. I'm a very instinctual, intuitive, new age thinker
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Q1? What consistes of consciousness, as to say that a human is such, one would have to understand what consciousness is.anarchyisbliss wrote:I think it already is conscious because the materials it is made of are conscious (atoms ). The way I see it, everything in the universe knows that it exists and that other things exist around it. Think about this:
1. Human beings are conscious
2. What makes us conscious is our brain
3. What makes us conscious is our thoughts, which basically reside in the brain
4. Our thoughts are held in neurons
5. Neurons are living ( they are cells, cells are living biological units)
6. Neurons are made of atoms
7. If the neurons are made of atoms and the neurons are alive, then I believe that it is because all of the neuron's atoms are alive as well.
That's basically my opinion
p.s. I'm a very instinctual, intuitive, new age thinker
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Most people walk around asleep, unaware. The Zen Master Buddha when asked what is he, if he is not an angel or a God, He said he was "Awake" There for one must be awakened to the true reality of the world befor one can say they are conscious.
Our thoughts are only HOUSED in the neron, the Thought is not the neron, nor is the wine the bottle..see. The Thought is actually a 'spark' or electricity in the brain, it travels along nerons from Cell to Cell..The Neron is not a cell, but a multi celled structure that connects the brain cells together, they are the pathways which thought travels down..
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Under all the research done, there has never been found any 'person' or 'observer' in the brain. No one can find the person with in.
Nerons like braincells are made of atoms you are right, and an atom is basicly a necules that is serounded by a cloud of photons, photons that pop in and out of existand. the bubble they form is empty, as are they, the Neclus they rotate around also is basicly hollow and pops in and out of existence..so as you see the thought is not there, because Electricity is not made up of atoms, it runs through them, they like the nerons are nothing but the pathway for the thought, which in turn is nothing, is not even there, like the non existance observer in the mind.
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Not only will the AI be full of bigitry, but it will be full of "Religious over tones" as in what ever you religion or cultural background has molded you into is what you will mold the AI into..Thoughtless wrote:Wow. When AI is finally created, there's not going to be a holocaust of humans perpetrated by machines, a la Terminator, The Matrix, or Battlestar Galactica. There's going to be a holocaust of AIs perpetrated by human bigots...
SO I'm hoping for A Sexy Jap Robot to replace woman. they can all be lesbians for all I care..get their babys from sperm banks from drunks and crackheads who needed the money. A Robot with AI can be told and tought to do anything -WOW I just Solved Domestic Violance !!!
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When I say consciousness I refer to the state we are currently in, even if that means we are not expressly conscious. I mean what we perceive to be conscious.Q1? What consists of consciousness, as to say that a human is such, one would have to understand what consciousness is.
A neuron actually is a cell, it is a brain cell, it has one nucleus, ribosome, etc. Check a biology book if you don't believe me.The Thought is actually a 'spark' or electricity in the brain, it travels along nerons from Cell to Cell..The Neron is not a cell, but a multi celled structure that connects the brain cells together, they are the pathways which thought travels down..
4. Our thoughts are held in neuronsOur thoughts are only HOUSED in the neuron, the Thought is not the neuron, nor is the wine the bottle..see.
This was my fourth statement, I already know that thoughts are held in the neuron, maybe you misread....
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To be more clear on what I ment is thus:anarchyisbliss wrote:When I say consciousness I refer to the state we are currently in, even if that means we are not expressly conscious. I mean what we perceive to be conscious.Q1? What consists of consciousness, as to say that a human is such, one would have to understand what consciousness is.A neuron actually is a cell, it is a brain cell, it has one nucleus, ribosome, etc. Check a biology book if you don't believe me.The Thought is actually a 'spark' or electricity in the brain, it travels along nerons from Cell to Cell..The Neron is not a cell, but a multi celled structure that connects the brain cells together, they are the pathways which thought travels down..
4. Our thoughts are held in neuronsOur thoughts are only HOUSED in the neuron, the Thought is not the neuron, nor is the wine the bottle..see.
This was my fourth statement, I already know that thoughts are held in the neuron, maybe you misread....
Neurons (IPA: /njˈɒɹɒns/, also known as neurones and nerve cells) are electrically excitable cells in the nervous system that process and transmit information. Neurons are the core components of the brain, and spinal cord in vertebrates and ventral nerve cord in invertebrates, and peripheral nerves.
Neurons communicate via chemical and electrical synapses, in a process known as synaptic transmission. The fundamental process that triggers synaptic transmission is the action potential, a propagating electrical signal that is generated by exploiting the electrically excitable membrane of the neuron. This is also known as a wave of depolarization.
See The Neurons are not the brain cell but part of it. It is a Multi Celled strand of brain nerve that extends the length of the spinal cord
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron
Thought, In the form of an electric spark travels down these nurons to the brain cells...see I know what Iam talking about.. I did look it up first
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron
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