What happens to us when we die?

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Post by Belinda » December 2nd, 2008, 5:18 am

the pure undifferentiated awareness that each and every one of us were born into this world with.
(Devamitta)

But computers have pure undifferentiated awareness and they are at this time simply pre-programmed artefacts.However unlike animals that have memories and therefore possibilities of creativity, computers and creatures with no memory functions are not creative: nothing new emerges from their P U A .

Does every living individual have P U A as soon as it is born? A bird just out of its shell? A seedling newly germinated? I'd say yes, if one living newborn individual has it is there any reason to assume that only humans or 'higher' mammals have P U A?


Then, we usually assume that plants and 'lower' animals don't learn from experience because they lack the sort of nervous systems that support memories.So do these 'lower' creatures continue throughout their lives in states of P U A ?

This all fits with the sort of nature pantheism displayed by Romantic poets of the 18th and 19th centuries.It's a pleasant theory to go along with, and probably very good for the struggles of environmentalists against our consumerist greed.

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Post by wanabe » December 2nd, 2008, 3:36 pm

what does PUA stand for?

"Does every living individual have P U A as soon as it is born?"---->yes, i agree

the more basic the life form, the less "PUA" it needs to work. its not a necessity for life

they(lower life forms) don't learn, they know. and if they don't, they die. but even the dead know much that we humans could never fathom.

I'm using PUA because i think i know what it means biased on the context you use it.
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Post by system-hater » February 7th, 2009, 7:03 pm

death is an integral aspect of human life. Although we become wary of the unknown, death exudes a great deal of promise in "life-affirming" terms. It would be glorifying to believe that the unknown can promote purgence of the consuming desires and urges that plague us. What alternate purpose could death offer other than freedom from human constraint? I refuse to consider the possibility that death is a transition from one life to another consisting of the same nature. It would only be the true definition of logic to presume that death transmutes our chaotic, erratic bodily casings into mere beings of simple existence, like a tree, or a cloud, something with no purpose other than to be what it is, free of thoughts and feelings and desires. Truly mesmorizing how lovely a simple existence of "pure being" would be. If death is something other than this natural, free, unalloyed life, than I wish to live forever.

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Post by nameless » February 8th, 2009, 8:44 am

An interesting debunking of the urban legend of the supposed 21 gram weight loss at death HERE

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Post by Vlad » February 18th, 2009, 12:16 pm

The breaking of nerves is pain. At death, the entire nervous system decays. This is total pain. Death is total and absolute pain for all eternity.

"The dead only know one thing, it is better to be alive."

- Woody Allen


Indeed!

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Post by Kool-aid » February 18th, 2009, 2:01 pm

The breaking of nerves is pain. At death, the entire nervous system decays. This is total pain. Death is total and absolute pain for all eternity.
Hopefully, you mean hell, and not that people are experiencing pain in death.. If you now do mean hell, why do you believe in it, and why do you state it as a fact?

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Post by wanabe » February 18th, 2009, 5:23 pm

perhaps death is the culmination all of pain, as you say vlad...however we do not feel this pain our body shuts off pain when it has reached a certain point either by chemicals telling the brain to ignore it or one passes out unconscious, where they are unable to feel the pain/damage being caused to them.

the pain cant be for all eternity, it could only last as long as you are intact. after that you just couldn't feel anything, at least in this world.

if the nervous system breaks down, we cant feel physical pain. so death just as well may be a complete lack of pain.
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Post by Vlad » February 21st, 2009, 8:56 am

wanabe wrote:the pain cant be for all eternity, it could only last as long as you are intact.
Why shouldn't matter be pain?

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by Play_Dough » March 5th, 2009, 12:19 am

philoreaderguy wrote:What happens to us when we die? What do you think happens? What do you want to happen?


When we 'die' we are unaware of having 'died'.
We continue to exist in identical circumstances (pre-dying) unaware that 'reality' has become a holographic projection of consciousness.

We remain in that 'holographic' representation for as long as we believe that it is 'real'.

Both 'religion' and 'philosophy' (metaphysics) attempt to 'awaken us' to the realization that we are 'dead'.
Once we remember that we are 'dead' we can then begin the work of decompiling the hologram and experience eternal life.

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Post by wanabe » March 5th, 2009, 12:48 am

in the case of a violent car crash. where one is splattered into thousands of pieces...we cant live identically as we were because we would logically know that we are dead. if our conciousness does indeed stay intact, regardless of death...so what happens: instant eternal life.

Play_Dough----"Both 'religion' and 'philosophy' (metaphysics) attempt to 'awaken us' to the realization that we are 'dead'.
Once we remember that we are 'dead' we can then begin the work of decompiling the hologram and experience eternal life."

I just love this!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dparrott » August 24th, 2009, 9:56 pm

in the moments right after you die you learn more then the whole time your alive, after the learning is finished you dwell on it for eternity

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Post by JELLEN » August 24th, 2009, 11:25 pm

Well, like I told my friends, when I die this body has a future, at least my cadaver will be in some science lab. From my experiences in this lifetime, I believe I will return to that state of completeness. My physical transforms and my conciousness transforms. This is my belief.

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Post by prodygi » August 30th, 2009, 1:15 am

A quote from someone "Being dead is being unconcious and being unconcious you would not even know that you had lost yourself."
Or, God said we were created in his image. That 'image' being pure energy. Energy can niether be created nor destroyed. When we die our energy returns to... wherever it came from. 'God' or the collective 'concious'.
note that these are not my beliefs, my answer would have to be that I have know idea what happens.

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Re: What happens to us when we die?

Post by The Light » March 26th, 2010, 12:48 pm

The same thing that happened before we were born.

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Post by Theboombody » May 1st, 2010, 9:59 pm

No one's even going to mention Jesus?

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