What happens to us when we die?
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There is one reason why humans are supposedly "out of touch with nature" (an laughable notion in itself since we are part of it). That is because humanity runs at a different tempo to other animals, in the same way as other animals operate at a higher tempo than plants, and plants are faster than geology. So, when we make changes, the slower running animals and plants often don't have time to adapt. The Earth is changing form, which it does from time to time.
There is nothing wrong with humans; this is just a dark delusion. Misanthropy is rife today and is a mindset that is profoundly out of touch with reality. People are filling their heads with poisonous species self-hatred without good reason. It's ironic since, without humans, the biosphere is utterly doomed, with humans and the species they can take with them its only hope of any persistence in the long term. Alas, it seems that in nature, as in society, restructuring today to assist tomorrow's survival creates collateral damage.
There is nothing wrong with any living or non living thing on Earth - they are each just small parts of the planet. However, human intelligence is so far beyond that of other animals that your claims are rendered simply flippant. To claim that humans are less intelligent than other species is akin to claiming black is white - like saying dogs are stronger than elephants or slugs have stronger body armour than beetles.
The issue is, rather, that intelligence is not the only valuable quality, hence the free well being currently "lead" by an ignoramus.
The question now is, what happens to the Earth's life when the Sun is dying? I do not think "preserve nature until we all die out" is a good option. I prefer the idea of humans doing whatever it takes, including impinging on the environment, to save as much of the Earth's information and biology as possible. This is akin to humans leaving the savannah that was turning into desert when the climate changed. One difference is that this time humans caused the climate to change, and that aspect is more akin to the blue-green algae did 250 million years ago. Most things died, but those that survived were mostly the very most extraordinary, and extraordinarily lucky, organisms that quickly created a far more sophisticated world.
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I once saw a large black ant kill a smaller red ant over a bread crumb. Then I stepped on it.Jan Sand wrote:Obviously there is no creature living on this planet with the mental brilliance to compare with that or could match those marvelous goals.
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I see humanity as part of the Earth, part of nature, and controlled by the planet and its star. So I don't see humans as divine beings that have transcended nature and now are controlling the Earth and its fate as you do. Rather, I see humans as agents and expressions of the Earth like any other species. Thus, like the blue-green algae 250m years ago, we are showing ourselves to be agents of change and we, in turn, are being manipulated by the environment/Earth to effect changes, and change in this context is painful and destructive in the short term.
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If bears came to evolve a human intellect and started building civilisations do you believe they would be more sensitive environmental denizens than we descendants of apes? Note that, "It would hard to be worse" would be too pat an answer and an avoidance of really thinking about it.
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Now Greta's live scattered around the globe each exposed to different conditions and each altering and adapting slightly differently, hotter conditions, colder conditions and cross pollination wow.
At this point of time for a tree would it be considered that death has occurred? Within a forest in New Zealand a Greta has produced an almost unrecognizable tree, a new discovery lets call it Scott after it's discoverer.
From a slightly alternative perspective, when considering time on a different scale, from when Earth was naked of life, when just the blue print existed, awaiting the moment when conditions allowed the surface to flourish. Organics, elements warmed up and were allowed to dance and sing and express life. At this point of time you could say life began on Earth but also it was a transition between the awaiting blueprint and the appropriate conditions allowing and resulting in a point of expression of life. Growing spreading developing and changing to the conditions.
The Earth became too wet for the continued survival of the original Greta but the new Scott flourished and spread. Although no Greta's exist anymore Scott is everywhere. Did Greta die or has she altered her state of expression.
The planet reached a point in it's life where all was as big and strong as possible and then the reverse process began where water shifted as the planets position changed with time. Life on the surface was still plentiful, just once again altered and changed to the changing conditions. Smaller versions, warmer conditions, faster. Until after millions more relative years the planet dries and is cremated as part of the planetary life cycle.
Did all of life on this planet "die" or did the planet itself pass through a phase of expression. Through this phase "life" (surface forms) began, altered and changed and then faded through time. You could say individually they lived and died, you could say collectively over time all live on the surface lived and died but more sensibly it is all an expression, allowed to flourish because of it's condition and position in time.
Exists there does a magical zone, a Goldilocks zone. A spherical band where water is present in a liquid form. To close to the sun and evaporation occurs, too far away and it is frozen. This magical zone is where the phase of expression occurs on the planet, due to the state of water. The organic planetary evolutionary process defined by the "New Perspective" explains how planets pass through this zone in their life-cycle. This micro expression of life occurs within this zone and has and will do so again as other planets pass through this phase. Within this zone is a growing collectiveness of life experiences like a soup or record of life that has been, all combining to produce a growing personality of it's own.
A planet itself moves through this zone, surface life begins millions of years pass and the planet dries and life on the surface too. This memory is not lost though as the energy, the collective history remains within the magical zone. This memory or collective energy awaits the next planet to absorb it's history of life. The planet returns to dust and stone but life continues.
I suggest this collectiveness is much older than just the life on Earth. Any microscopic moment is never lost. I do feel that our life experiences occur on our level of terrestrial life. Combined with all life experiences from all forms of life, they merge and grow as a collective energy that produces an overall characteristic of the next level of life or size step, the planetary life.
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