Fifth Dimension

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Fifth Dimension

Post by Montgomeryharris » June 4th, 2013, 1:01 pm

The fifth dimension of thought is not the impossible, nor is it "traditional"meaning. It is the possibility of thought that, like the widening of a circumference, extends what has been hitherto known as "thought"

But like a transgressive act it also "crosses the line", pushing itself outside of the circumference or limit.

But this fifth or arch dimension-outside of meaning- is also the fourth , the inside, the effable "transcendence" that appears as revelation in the soul, core, or nucleus of things.

So that the fifth dimension is a strange kernel or omphalos, inside the fourth-a navel or situation of meaning that goes beyond its own limits, but remains situated in the interior.

The fifth dimension is not a super added, external concept to world and Idea, it is that contra-diction burning invisibly at the heart of things, whose vapors fill our nostrils.

Another name for the fifth dimension then, could be "different form of fourth"- a fourth that is no longer simple, digestible meaning. A fourth that is no longer identical to the rest of itself- an other dimension, an other logic, an other world- inside of this one but only partially graspable; 


a fluid, "paradoxical" fourth dimension whose depth and fertility enriches the visible which is not it, but at the same time what it is (veil of ma-ya, "not -that")

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Re: Fifth Dimension

Post by Sey » June 11th, 2013, 6:57 pm

Hmmm... I usually think of dimensions as 90 degree extensions from an existing dimension: point, line, plane, cube, tesseract, &c.

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Re: Fifth Dimension

Post by Therealdjcamm » July 18th, 2013, 9:07 pm

I was under the impression that like the 1st, 2nd and 3rd dimensions, the 4th, 5th and 6th can too be represented using the XYZ geometry with the entirety of the 3rd dimension forming the equivalent of a 1st dimensional singularity upon the 4th? So the 4th, 5th and 6th dimensions are each 'time' but are different directions of it?

I'm probably completely wrong as my understanding appears too simple considering the vast amount of algebra used to define these concepts but hay ho what can you do! :)

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Re: Fifth Dimension

Post by Hereandnow » July 19th, 2013, 7:08 am

Hello Montgomeryharris, I like your spooky language, but the proof is in the pudding: Can you explain it? For example:

"the effable "transcendence" that appears as revelation in the soul, core, or nucleus of things."

Can you clarify? I mean, yes, history is filled with utterances like this. Just read Evelyn Underhill, or Eckhart Tolle or the medieval Cloud of Unknowing; or try Plotinus' neoPlatonism. But do elaborate. If it is effable, then it bears description, fits into theoretical contexts, etc. In short, what are you talking about?

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Re: Fifth Dimension

Post by Wuliheron » July 19th, 2013, 11:37 am

According to the theory of the Fifth Dimension it is the dawning of the age of Aquarius. The end of the world will not happen with a whimper or a bang, but the inhuman sounds of the insidious alien anal probe mind control conspiracy behind the Illuminati.

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Re: Fifth Dimension

Post by Gorgias » July 19th, 2013, 3:29 pm

The name of this topic have attract my curiosity, but I'm disappointed by the first post...

There is no link with the vague mysticism of Montgomeryharris, but it match with the title, so : have you ever think about modality as a fifth dimension ? (the relation between the set of all possible world and one particular world seems to be the same that the one between the world -as a spatio-temporal continuum- and a static space ; the one between space and plane ; and the one between plane and line).

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Post by Gulnara » July 19th, 2013, 8:17 pm

When I look at 3D animation of the fifth dimension, I feel like it is one-directional movement of 4D objects. Too stiff, too simplified. In comparison difference between 2D and 3D is a lot greater and more interesting, because 3D comes as such a surprise to 2D inhabitants: it's rich, full of incredible possibilities, multitude of new functional forms, it's mind-blowing. And then comes 5D after 4D...as a disappointment.

Just tell me that at 5D I will be able to realize, to feel that I, me include all those other me in other Universes, that I am big and spread around multiverses instead of having meager years of life as single Earthlian me. Tell me I will be able to perceive all of my multiple personas at once and not know at all what distance is in time or space, because they'd be nonexistent or insignificant in the 5D. Tell me there is no money there, no ranks, no third of life spent studying ( because there I get all the knowledge at once the day I am born). Tell me I can be extremely creative out there because I eat whole world's new knowledge every day for breakfast. Tell me I can spread some mercy on the Earthlian, separated me, since I will know that Earthlian me has no way of knowing me. Tell me I can play God.

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Re: Fifth Dimension

Post by DxV2 » September 3rd, 2017, 10:11 am

My understanding stretches to 7 dimensions, of which I believe D6 and even more so D7 are my own understanding and not widely held.
Think of D4 - 3d objects running along a timeline. Only forward is possible, and D4 can have an end. It's finite. For an example of D5, you would say experience the year 2006 (this is only an example), and you would wake up at the end back on January 1st 2006 none the wiser - your mind effectively wiped so you've forgotten you were about to experience 2007. This "time repetition" (the essence of D5) could happen once or multiple times before for some reason the gate to 2007 was opened, leading back to another 4D experience (of new time). The "mind wipe" idea is important, because that also defines D5, you are experiencing the same time, basically the same D4 period again and again.
Now saying you woke up back on January 1st 2006 without the mind wipe, perhaps even remembering the 31st December 2006 you have just experienced - you are now experiencing time changes - what I view as D6 - because the first time on January 1st 2006 you weren't having that thought. Your actions may even change, rewriting your personal experience of 2006, so again, it's D6 - the 6th dimension - "changes in established time".
It ends there if you experience all this D5 and D6 and eventually become no more. Hence my understanding of D7 - that is basically when you get the lot back after your D5 (and possible D6) experiences. Although I appreciate there are other understandings and theoretical explanations of other dimensions, I do not need more than these seven to understand the cosmos.

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Post by Gulnara » September 3rd, 2017, 12:11 pm

You tied up those dimensions to the dates. Dates are human invention, they are not part of dimensions. If I am going through dimensions you mentioned thta wipe memory, I have no choice but to think the next day I am living is the next in a chain of dates, and not last years previous day. That could mean that we might be living in those dimensiones, at least sometimes, and not even know it.

-- Updated Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:13 pm to add the following --

You tied up those dimensions to the dates. Dates are human invention, they are not part of dimensions. If I am going through dimensions you mentioned thta wipe memory, I have no choice but to think the next day I am living is the next in a chain of dates, and not next year's previous day. That could mean that we might be living in those dimensiones, at least sometimes, and not even know it.

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Re: Fifth Dimension

Post by DxV2 » September 3rd, 2017, 12:30 pm

Those dates were only examples for ease of explanation, certainly as you imply not necessary in description of my theories. I have considered our conscience of these dimensions - I won't pretend to understand a rule for that but yes, it seems possible to me that some may not be aware that they're experiencing 5D time. I guess (and not a hard rule) that some may have more insight than others, and furthermore the later in the whole experience the more likely you are to be conscious of what is happening. I think all people perceive 4 dimensions, 5th dimension may at a guess be limited, 6th dimension even more so.

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Re: Fifth Dimension

Post by The Beast » September 3rd, 2017, 2:13 pm

“Thou shalt believe”
I shall describe the Fifth Dimension or I shall call it the Faith Dimension. The first of reality in the Space-Time is the beginning; the second came after the first. The spiral out of the first is reality and it is all real in the four quadrants of understanding… and that which is thought is a string; a message of believe travelling the space-time backwards towards its origin. To and through what is two and that which is three… and where we are. Hap on the ride, we are going home. it can only be done in the Fifth Dimension. This which is the origin collapses in our mind as true existence.
Anyway, in string theory dimensions might reach infinity; I might theorize that it contains all possible thoughts/strings as dimensions of reality. “To infinity and beyond”

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Re: Fifth Dimension

Post by Hereandnow » September 3rd, 2017, 2:48 pm

Errrr, tell me Montgomeryharris, why should any of this be taken seriously? That is, why is it in any way compelling to believe in this fifth dimension? Belief, remember, is coercive, we need good reason to believe. Sounds like pure fiction.

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Re: Fifth Dimension

Post by The Beast » September 3rd, 2017, 5:45 pm

Such an interesting OP written 2013. There is no existential error without the mind. That which is an existential error could be believed as truth. That which is a lie could become truth. In Fear and Trembling and the sickness unto death, Kierkegaard wrote “ Thou shalt believe” which he attributed to someone else. In the millianism irregularities we have the Nazis as the torch bearers mostly based on birth rights; the Jews as the unforgiving; the Christians as the forgivers of sins and the muslins as the greatness of their God… and there is Vant as the guardian of Hell for if one is true the other named err… and what of the other/others. The infinite other. I see mostly man promising each other Paradise with a bunch of virgins. No one asked what is promised to the virgins. Maybe DxV2? What is it?

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Re: Fifth Dimension

Post by Atreyu » September 6th, 2017, 8:00 pm

Modern science has already theorized the existence of many dimensions of "space" beyond the first three which we can directly perceive and cognize as such. For example, in string theory they discuss around 10 or 11 so called "dimensions of space-time". So there is nothing new or transcendental in theorizing that our experience of chronological time should be mapped as multiple dimensions of "higher space", rather than just one (fourth dimension)...

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Re: Fifth Dimension

Post by The Beast » September 7th, 2017, 11:00 am

It is the idea. The energy of the thought translated into a string. How do I represent motivation? How does it interact with other strings? Reality is the canvas of the survivors. There is correspondence (positive-definite) and annihilation. The question is whether the space – time exist in the string as a correspondence to an elastic dimension. The strings of a source might be connected to each other by such dimension connected to de -Sitter Space/ All is perfect. However. The strings are not perfect, and Space is not the De-Sitter Space. It/the imperfect. We are the survivors. The canvas of the rejected joined by cosmological forces. The Noema is the De-Sitter Space. The Noemata the strings. We are the producer of strings with the infinite variations of meaning. Did anyone start any reshaping of the Fifth dimension…yet? Is it the shape of love, or justice…or goodness? We cognized the correspondent.

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