Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
- Sy Borg
- Site Admin
- Posts: 14997
- Joined: December 16th, 2013, 9:05 pm
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
Meanwhile I kill cockroaches, that are also fairly easy to catch, but I kill them because I find the notion of holding a cockroach in my hand icky, even though it's theoretically no worse than holding a big beetle (which I evict rather than kill).
I always try to catch large spiders in my house and release to the garden because they help control insect numbers. I am effectively using the animal to do killing for me, so I'm not "blameless" there either. If it was a funnel web, redback or white tailed spider then I would try to kill it. The rationale there is risk management.
Flies and mosquitoes are too intrusive so I will usually kill, although if there's an open window and it's easier to shepherd the animal out of the house then I'll take that option.
Snails and slugs are evicted from the house because they are easy to catch and way too icky to kill indoors ... unless they overbreed in my garden, in which case I do crush them.
As for ants, I've been doing battle with them for years now but so far I have resisted getting in a pest controller. I've tired of the senseless slaughter and am now saving the little carcasses and checking ant recipes on Google I'm probably mad but what else in new?
Wasps sometimes try to build nests over my front door. With them I become a ruthless exterminator. Risk management again.
Moving up the chain, but still qualifying as vermin, I have no qualms about killing rats or mice found in my home. They are too difficult to catch alive and, if released, they are smart enough to come right back - or start bothering neighbours.
That leaves me with a hotch potch of fairly arbitrary decisions about whether I condemn marauding critters to death or not - safety, health, comfort, convenience, aesthetics, risk management, utility. My reasoning is all over the place.
- Dukedroklar
- Posts: 125
- Joined: June 16th, 2013, 4:52 pm
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
No I do not. I might not have used fire but it is definitely debatable if fire or spray would cause more suffering but that is a matter of opinion. They are a definite threat depending on your situation. If I were single then I would leave them alone and observe them in my spare time for pleasure. However, having children now, I would not take the risk as children are too careless and would almost certainly aggravate them to attack.Spiral Out wrote: So then you have no problem with my act of burning down the entire nest of Yellow Jackets after one of them had stung me.
Umm, actually you made a simple statement to this effect and showed no real examples let alone multiple times. Regardless, we disagree on this issue as I stated in my previous response I believe that is an over simplification.Spiral Out wrote: By the way, I shown over and over again that Humans are merely entities acting on their collection of desires and fears. We are that simple. If you pay extremely close attention to what people say and do, you'll realize this too.
@greta
I respect your attempts to do the right thing as you see it. I also appreciate your ability to extend compassion to this level. One thing I will say is do what you think is right and you can't go wrong. You may make a mistake, but it'll never be wrong if you catch my drift.
- Sy Borg
- Site Admin
- Posts: 14997
- Joined: December 16th, 2013, 9:05 pm
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
Thanks Duke, but I'm not sure the ants would agree. I will probably have to relent and get a pest controller but in the meantime I'm experimenting with regular culls to see if I can keep their numbers in check (they are currently trying to take my front stairs as territory and I won't give up without a fight).Dukedroklar wrote:I respect your attempts to do the right thing as you see it. I also appreciate your ability to extend compassion to this level. One thing I will say is do what you think is right and you can't go wrong. You may make a mistake, but it'll never be wrong if you catch my drift.
My considerations about avoiding excessive force mean nothing to the ant colony. To them I'm no doubt The Evil Giant Shadow - a homicidal David Attenborough with hair and boobs. When I collect enough mini-carcasses I'll Google up some recipes. Great white huntress. Before the turn of the century, a far higher percentage of people will be relying on insects for sustenance than is the case today.
- Dukedroklar
- Posts: 125
- Joined: June 16th, 2013, 4:52 pm
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
Greta wrote: Thanks Duke, but I'm not sure the ants would agree. - My considerations about avoiding excessive force mean nothing to the ant colony. To them I'm no doubt The Evil Giant Shadow - a homicidal David Attenborough with hair and boobs.
Of course not. To the rabbit, wolves are monsters. To the wolf cubs, their mother is good. Unlike most animals we have the ability to experience compassion for things outside our normal instincts. Dolphins are one example of a creature that seems to exhibit human like compassion though. Evidenced in the occurrences of rescuing humans from the sea for example.
In this situation it does boil down to territory. I find it neither right nor wrong to protect ones territory.
Greta wrote: Before the turn of the century, a far higher percentage of people will be relying on insects for sustenance than is the case today.
You are probably right on that. Hmmm, soylent green is actually made of insects?
-
- Posts: 661
- Joined: July 24th, 2013, 6:20 am
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
- Theboombody
- Posts: 90
- Joined: April 28th, 2010, 8:23 pm
- Favorite Philosopher: Diogenes the Cynic
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
- Spiral Out
- Posts: 5014
- Joined: June 26th, 2012, 10:22 am
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
As a general rule, a Human's empathy for any entity diminishes proportionally to how similar its features are to ours.Theboombody wrote:I was wondering if dirt was shown to experience pain through some scientific analysis, would we just shrug that off since we don't see the pain dirt feels when we step on it, or change the way we travel.
- Sy Borg
- Site Admin
- Posts: 14997
- Joined: December 16th, 2013, 9:05 pm
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
Actually, there are quite a few examples of inter-species bonds, especially when one of the animals is a baby. Even at lower orders of life symbiosis is everywhere, which I suppose is a lower order animals' version of friendship - a bit like work colleaguesDukedroklar wrote:Of course not. To the rabbit, wolves are monsters. To the wolf cubs, their mother is good. Unlike most animals we have the ability to experience compassion for things outside our normal instincts. Dolphins are one example of a creature that seems to exhibit human like compassion though. Evidenced in the occurrences of rescuing humans from the sea for example.Greta wrote: Thanks Duke, but I'm not sure the ants would agree. - My considerations about avoiding excessive force mean nothing to the ant colony. To them I'm no doubt The Evil Giant Shadow - a homicidal David Attenborough with hair and boobs.
In this situation it does boil down to territory. I find it neither right nor wrong to protect ones territory.
Agree about territory, I'm okay with the ant nest messing up my lawn but I draw the line at letting them in my house.
You are probably right on that. Hmmm, soylent green is actually made of insects?[/quote]Greta wrote: Before the turn of the century, a far higher percentage of people will be relying on insects for sustenance than is the case today.
Correct. Soylent Brown was made from endangered animals. Later they brought out the new environmentally friendly "green" product with a smaller footprint on nature ...
I failed, Storm. For a start the collection was tedious and, in it's little way, a tad gruesome. Then I noticed mold forming on the little unrefrigerated carcasses and decided it was all more trouble than it was worthStormcloud wrote:Greta, ant recipes? Don't they say 'you are what you eat?' Duke, if insect pills finish up making us ill we can always take soylent green's final option - beats suffering, what?
If we are what we eat, and most western people eat cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens, fish and a range of plants, then ...
- Thrylix
- Posts: 70
- Joined: January 11th, 2014, 2:42 am
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
Not really looking to be forgiven for stepping on ants. I forgot about this thread. I suppose it is hubris in that I treat ants however I feel like it because I can, but why is that wrong? Compared to them, I'm basically a giant.Discards wrote:Obviously you think it's right, so who cares? Hopefully, you will be stepped on by aging and the deterioration of your body and when you no longer have the physical capacity to resist the universal connectivity of all living and non-living things, your mind - in it's final throws of confusion and existence - will hark back to the day you stepped on all those ants - replacing this hubris you present with remorse. And though with sincere regret you will likely feel sorry for those ants, you will also call out for someone to save you - as they likely writhed beneath your shoe wishing that - by whatever grave chance of fate had come upon them - that they were not in such exceeding amounts of pain. Maybe then, you will find the answer to your question. In the mean time, keep stepping on ants. I'm sure the innocent forgiveness that children receive for this kind of act still applies to young men your age --- NAWT!
Alternative question: if in the future we discover a race of tiny ant-sized beings with the intelligence of humans, complete with cities, buildings, and a lot of the same cultural memes as us, would it be wrong to establish dominance over them? I have to admit, I would be tempted to rule over them with sheer force, although I know that wouldn't be kind. But the chance to become a god would be pretty tempting to me.
-
- Posts: 1500
- Joined: December 22nd, 2013, 4:57 pm
- Favorite Philosopher: Eric Hoffer
- Location: California, US
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
- Felix
- Posts: 3117
- Joined: February 9th, 2009, 5:45 am
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
- LuckyR
- Moderator
- Posts: 7935
- Joined: January 18th, 2015, 1:16 am
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
So it isn't about the ants, it's about why are you taking their lives. If they are making a trail in your kitchen, it's ok. Ants as a species will do just fine after a little ant bait in one kitchen. OTOH, if you kill ants in their habitat (which isn't your dwelling) , why are you doing that? If you don't have an answer, why do it?
- HZY
- Posts: 261
- Joined: January 30th, 2013, 11:09 pm
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
Well, stepping can go both ways.Thrylix wrote:I'm 23 years old, had to go to a picnic today. I got up to throw something in the garbage and at the garbage can noticed a horde of ants bustling around a little ant mound. I was bored so I lifted my foot over them and stamped it down. After flattening them and their little home under my shoe, I walked back to the blanket.
When I sat back down, I leaned over to check out all the crushed ants stuck to my foot. My friend and I sort of snickered because the ants I carried through the grass on the bottom of my feet were only half-crushed and squirming in the treads of my running shoe. Then out of nowhere some guy who I didn't know saw me and called me a "white bully" and "inhumane" because I step on ants. I told him to bend down and kiss my stinking feet. I know, not nice, heh.
Now when you've stepping on bugs your whole life like I have, an anthill is no big deal. Meanwhile,I know jains respect all life and believe that my actions are wrong. But how is that explained? I thought they believed in reincarnation but how does that work? Do they believe that bugs are reincarnated from people?
If I'm stepping on someone's aunt joan, is that really such a bad thing? I guess my thoughts would be eh, better luck next time. There was probably a reason why her new home is a patch of mud on the bottom of my size 12 running shoe.
Do you think stepping on bugs is wrong - why or why not?
- Lagayscienza
- Posts: 1853
- Joined: February 8th, 2015, 3:27 am
- Favorite Philosopher: Hume Nietzsche
- Location: Antipodes
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
La gaya Scienza
- J G Hunter
- New Trial Member
- Posts: 2
- Joined: February 13th, 2015, 10:57 am
Re: Do you think stepping on bugs is right or wrong- why?
2023/2024 Philosophy Books of the Month
Mark Victor Hansen, Relentless: Wisdom Behind the Incomparable Chicken Soup for the Soul
by Mitzi Perdue
February 2023
Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness
by Chet Shupe
March 2023