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Is Existing between living and dying?

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What does existing mean to you compared to what living means to you?

What does death mean to you in comparison?

Is living reacting to outside stimuli? ex.(emotionally driven)
Is existing numbing outside stimuli?ex.
(Does not act out emotions, lives in the mind)
If dying is merely the gradual decline of life and existence, can the effects of death be felt through out the entirety of life and existence? How so?
Would eradication of emotions (inside and emotions acted upon outside the body) cause a sense of death from what is believed to be living and existing?
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StillHere wrote:What does existing mean to you compared to what living means to you?

What does death mean to you in comparison?

Is living reacting to outside stimuli? ex.(emotionally driven)
Is existing numbing outside stimuli?ex.
(Does not act out emotions, lives in the mind)
If dying is merely the gradual decline of life and existence, can the effects of death be felt through out the entirety of life and existence? How so?
Would eradication of emotions (inside and emotions acted upon outside the body) cause a sense of death from what is believed to be living and existing?
It sort of depends whether you think that living and death are two relative descriptions along a single axis (not dissimilar to hot and cold on the axis of temperature) or whether you think that living and death have individual, unrelated meanings. What do you think?
"As usual... it depends."
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Re: Is Existing between living and dying?

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StillHere wrote:What does existing mean to you compared to what living means to you?
Most at my age have cared for or seen others care for dying parents. There comes a time when they are no longer living, just existing. When quality of life is poor and prospects are terminal, and cognition is swamped by discomfort and brain damage, then that is existence, not living as we understand it.
StillHere wrote:What does death mean to you in comparison?
That's the big one. It really depends on whether personalities can be sustained without a body. It also depends on how much of the information of your life resonates. It may also depend on whether ultra advanced beings in another 14 billion years' time will be able to re-create the past. It also depends on what "you" are, how "you" is defined.
StillHere wrote:Would eradication of emotions (inside and emotions acted upon outside the body) cause a sense of death from what is believed to be living and existing?
Without emotions we would be information processors, a messier version of the computers in front of us. I think emotions and micro-emotions are far more intrinsic to what we think of as consciousness than is generally acknowledged.
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Soul(ex. Collected intentions;thoughts with purpose;ability to manipulate energy;ex. life force;ex. intention; ability to feel outside and internal stimulation to be processed;understood individually to give you an experience;life;belief.)


Life is the experience through stimulation; Soul is the driver;manipulator. The soul is what makes up your individual experience through intention;manipulation of your energy;life force in all facets.

Soul is limited to the manipulation of our known senses; stimulation receptors. Infinite possibilities; infinite paths.

You; ex.individual consciousness gifted;given a soul;driver;manipulator;instinct;purpose; meaning the ability of your stimulation;manipulation is limited in entirely possessing a soul in all facets.

Example of shared soul experiences;friends. Imagine driving your friend's car. You are able to control/manipulate it to your degree;ability; what kind of driver are you?

Friend;trusted soul;have faith in;believe in them with you're;individual experiences;life trust their individual stimulation;intention that has the ability to change;manipulate you're;individual experience;life.

If you decide to give your friend his car/piece of soul;shared experiences;collected information gathered in two or more individual minds;processor;computer is processed individually.

If you decide to give back his car;piece of soul; how well did you treat his car?
What are your intentions while driving/manipulating;stimulating?
Which seat did you sit in?

Did your friend just drive you around?Ex. Following their;individual dreams;beliefs.
Did he trust you to drive it?Ex. Believed in your/individual ability to drive/manipulate their;individual experience;shared soul in a direction;path.

Did you ditch the car? Ex. Leave their experiences unattended. Do not care for.

Did you sell it? Ex. Use their;individual experiences to benefit you.

Did you crash it? Ex. Damage;torment;torture;break beyond repair;being exactly as once before.

Did you fix it? Ex. Help/attend care for their individual growth/life experiences manipulated;soul intention;to reach highest self by all outside and internal stimulation.

Did you steal it? Ex. Gather experience/life information from them;individual soul to further my individual experience;life with no return of information;life experience.

Did you learn about their car? Ex.
Gather information;life experience from their individual shared soul experiences compared;understood;processed through my own life;experience;information;opinion;beliefs.

Did you teach your friend about his car? Ex.
Regergitate back the information;gathered thoughts; processed through my experience;life;path back so that they individually process;compare;understand my opinion;belief to help;attend;care their individual experience;life from an individual;different perspective;angle to learn;see;understand multiple;angles views;insights to obtain a higher collected understanding.

Did you buy your own car? Ex. Gather information; to possess your individual car/soul to manipulate;change your individual life;collection of thoughts;intentions;experieces to reach highest self to transcend;Leave body;vessel reaching a prophetic;highest consciousness state of mind.

Did a car hit you on your path driving your friends car? Ex. Stimulation that caused damage to another soul under your care;instinct.

Religion: one path;belief;purpose out of infinite possibilities/paths/choices/drive.
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StillHere wrote:What does existing mean to you compared to what living means to you?

What does death mean to you in comparison?

Is living reacting to outside stimuli? ex.(emotionally driven)
Is existing numbing outside stimuli?ex.
(Does not act out emotions, lives in the mind)
If dying is merely the gradual decline of life and existence, can the effects of death be felt through out the entirety of life and existence? How so?
Would eradication of emotions (inside and emotions acted upon outside the body) cause a sense of death from what is believed to be living and existing?
Consciousness/subjective experience/mental states - is all that matters. No point being alive without consciousness.

Your experiencing is correlated to what your brain is doing. It comes in lots of flavours, resulting from lots of things (external stimuli creating neuronal patterns of interaction, genetics, brain development/damage/disease/wear and tear, chemical balances, etc). When your brain stops functioning because you die, everything that matters to you stops. Fear of death, awareness of mortality, is experienced in different ways, emotionally, in our planning and imagining our future, how we experience living.

If you somehow eradicated emotions you'd still experience lots of other flavours of experiencing (perception, memory, pain, hunger, imagining, etc), you presumably just wouldn't care.
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Gertie wrote:Consciousness/subjective experience/mental states - is all that matters. No point being alive without consciousness.
What if you are, like some coma patients, experiencing interesting inner states?

I enjoy the work of scientists in the area of consciousness, and let go the philosophically naive statements because the information is so stimulating.:

The Mystery of Consciousness and the Vegetative State | Martin Monti | TEDx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW_4QArGScg - gets right to the heart of the issue raised in the thread, trying to make sense of minimally conscious states.

Michio Kaku: Consciousness Can be Quantified https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GS2rxROcPo - I suppose you'd call it a rationalist scientific version of panpsychism, and innocently challenges the idea that consciousness is indivisible. If consciousness can be reliably divided and measured that would make the job of brain surgeons easier.
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Greta wrote:
Gertie wrote:Consciousness/subjective experience/mental states - is all that matters. No point being alive without consciousness.
What if you are, like some coma patients, experiencing interesting inner states?

I enjoy the work of scientists in the area of consciousness, and let go the philosophically naive statements because the information is so stimulating.:

The Mystery of Consciousness and the Vegetative State | Martin Monti | TEDx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW_4QArGScg - gets right to the heart of the issue raised in the thread, trying to make sense of minimally conscious states.

Michio Kaku: Consciousness Can be Quantified https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GS2rxROcPo - I suppose you'd call it a rationalist scientific version of panpsychism, and innocently challenges the idea that consciousness is indivisible. If consciousness can be reliably divided and measured that would make the job of brain surgeons easier.
The Kaku vid is worth a thread of its own! Haven't looked at the tedx link yet.

But as regards coma patients, good point. Likewise dreaming. Can we call it 'unconscious experiencing' for convenience?

Personally, I don't see much difference between conscious and unconscious experiencing in terms of value. So if a coma patient is having unconscious experiencing of say driving a car and feeling excited about where they are going, that has as much value as conscious person experiencing the same thing, in my book. For me, experiencing is the biggie. When the ability to experience (consciously or unconsciously) is irrevocably lost, everything of value to that individual is lost, they may as well be dead. While it's still possible (perhaps in coma patients who may never wake up) something of value is still there. (Unfortunately the coma patient isn't in a position to communicate, so amongst other things we can't know if they'd rather be dead than experiencing that way).

But in principle I see conscious experiencing and unconscious experiencing as of equal value. In fact if you compare dreaming to being awake, then I'd say the main difference is conscious experiencing is like being in an ongoing drama or soap opera, and dreaming is like being in a one-off drama. Qualiatively not much different, but the context gives a feeling of much more ongoing substance to conscious experiencing. And obviously what happens when you're awake has consequences for your experiencing tomorrow.
I enjoy the work of scientists in the area of consciousness, and let go the philosophically naive statements because the information is so stimulating.
Me too. Fascinating innit. :D
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