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THE ORIENTAL UNIVERSAL VALUES DERIVED FROM CHINESE CIVILIZATION HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A CHALLENGE TO THE WESTERN UNIVERSAL VALUAS





Presenter:Xian Changwei
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Date:29th,Jun.2017
Address:The Thatched Cottage of The Bagongshan Mountain Huinan City Anhui Province of the PRC





According to universal values, it seems so far only one is accepted that is the western popular democracy and freedom known as the Western universal values in today’s world. Beyond that ,there are no second universal values. Chinese thinker Xuan Changwei offers a proposal via his research: the oriental universal values derived from Chinese civilization compares with the Western universal values based on the foundation of the Western civilization.

The main content of the oriental universal values and its eleven major sources are as follow:

I. the eleven main sources of the oriental universal values:
1. the philosophies come from:
(1) Lao Tzu’s “man follows the earth, earth follows the universe, universe follows the Tao, Tao follows only itself”
(2) the philosophy of "harmony between man and nature" in Chinese traditional culture
(3) the heavenly paradise world and the ideas to Purdue sentient beings based on the deductive evolution from “anuttara-samyak-sambodhi” of Shakyamuni Buddha. The religious wisdom “anuttara-samyak-sambodhi” of the Shakyamuni Buddha and his successors are the most important philosophical sources of the oriental universal values.

2.social, political, and ethical thoughts come from:
(4)the philosophy of the world integration and courtesy of Confucius
(5)Liang Qichao’s thoughts of altruism, Liang Qichao's thoughts of private and morality, Liang Qichao says: "everyone make self good is the private virtue, everyone make good to the group is the morality virtue”
(6)the philosophy of Shakyamuni Buddha's compassion, sentient beings, and hell is not empty until Buddha
(7) the construction of the pure land on the earth and the way to Bodhisattva Maitreya Bodhisattva (sentient beings, benefit others and the world, the interests of heaven and earth; it is a kind of new Maitreya Bodhisattva advocated by Sade, rather than the way of Bodhisattva Shakyamuni's Buddhist teachings)
(8) Kang Youwei’s thoughts of the world integration society
(9) the Communist Party of Chinese socialist and communist ideologies
(10) new ideas of contemporary Chinese folk thinkers
(11) besides, the Oriental universal values also have a complete set of superior social systems, social politics, legal system, and other aspects of thoughts. Excluding in the text above, hereby explain.

II. the following are the Western universal values and their Western civilization characteristics:

The main contents of the Western universal values:

There are democracy, protection of human rights, constitutionalism, separation of the three powers and checks and balances of power, fraternity, judicial independence, among the thoughts of human rights include: individual freedom, personal property, personal security, the whole resistance to oppression is a natural and inalienable human right that affirms speech, faith, and writings, and the freedom of the press, including the separation of powers, equality before the law, and the sanctity of private property and inviolable principle.

The philosophical foundations of the Western universal values derive from western philosophies and Christianity. The social and ethical thoughts come from Spinoza, Rock, Montesquieu, Rousseau and other previous philosophers.

III.the comparative analysis of the Western universal values and the oriental universal values are as follow:

1. the comparative analysis of the Western universal values of and the Oriental universal values:

The oriental universal values respect “the interests of all sentient beings, benefit others and the world, and the interests of heaven and the earth”, therefore, the oriental universal values are collectivism, righteousness and cosmopolitanism. These are closely related to Aristotle’s thoughts and Liang Qichao’s development and exploration of human beings should benefit others and the world.

In contrast, the Western universal values are surrounded by personal interests, such as democracy, human rights protection, constitutionalism and three powers in the Western universal Values, the balance of power and judicial independence and the individual freedom in human rights protection, human property, personal security and resistance to oppression are natural and inalienable human rights, affirmed freedom of speech, belief, writing and the press, the separation of powers and the equality of legal system, private property is sacred and inviolable Principles. These values entirely put personal interests and rights first rather than call a person should "for others, for the collective, for society, and for the world".

2. the differences between the Western universal values and the oriental universal values:

The Western universal values seem everything is dominated by individual interests first. However, the oriental universal values concern about social, collective, world, universal and sentient beings interests first. These are absolutely different from each other. So, in nature, the Western universal values are "individualism" and "selfishness" concerns, while the Oriental universal values are "collective"and "selfless".

Due to these fundamental differences, the western world is not interested in unified the world and the comprehensive commonwealth. Britain is now breaking up with the European Union, the former president of the United States also clamoring to shoulder the responsibility of the world, and putting American interests first.

In fact, these events of the Western universal values are based on their inner characteristics. These are due to the Western universal values’ "individualism" and "selfishness".

3. the Western universal values and the oriental universal values reveal deep effects in Chinese and Western societies:

Now the Britain and the United States preferentially considering themselves and ignoring the whole world are influenced by their civilization characteristics. On the contrary, as a representative birthplace of the oriental universal values, China has always been the responsibility of the world with extreme efforts ( supports of Afro Asia people in the age of Mao Zedong, supports Vietnam, North Korea, Albania and so on, Chinese culture plays an important role because of its deep oriental universal values). Chinese civilization shows great interests of collectivism, cosmopolitanism, universality, and sentient beings. These have been act in the core position for a long time.

The oriental universal values "for others, for society, for the world, for all beings" are significantly implanted in its body and manifested in the past history and today. If you ignore the reasons of their deep-seated performance derived from their values, you would never understand the Chinese history and what are the underlying causes of the present major issues ?

In another words, the Western universal values are individualism and self-centered which are respected as the “universal values”: so the aggression and plunder of wars are common in the western history. However, the Oriental universal values are “social morality” in nature, “selfless”, “ interests of all sentient beings, benefit others and the world, and the interests of the heaven and the earth. These are the pursuits of human ideal destination, and human ultimate civilization of the universal values.

Therefore, Confucius’ philosophy of the world integration, and Liang Qichao’s thought of altruism, private and morality, and "everyone make self good is private virtue, everyone make good to the group is smorality virtue”, and the philosophy of Shakyamuni Buddha's compassion, sentient beings, hell is not empty until Buddha, and Kang Youwei’s thoughts of the world integration society, and the construction of the pure land on the earth and the way to Bodhisattva Maitreya Bodhisattva (sentient beings, benefit others and the world, interests of the heaven and the earth; these are the new Maitreya Bodhisattva advocated by Sade, rather than the way of Bodhisattva Shakyamuni's Buddhist teachings), and the Communist Party of Chinese socialist and communist ideologies and so on. These thoughts and philosophies can grow up, bloom, and stand everlasting in China. However, socialism and communism are easy to fail in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. This is because that in the land of China has been turned out something of the “Oriental universal values”. Without these main reasons, the internal logic of human civilization would has not yet been understood!

The Western universal values and Chinese oriental universal values are significantly different. The future of human civilization leadership must be arising in China. However, the West is impossible to produce such great ideas and theories that can lead the word and world civilizations. In the last by not the least, "the hope of the world, the future of mankind, the happiness of mankind must be released from China, and these entirely impossible in the West.

Xuan Changwei, a Chinese thinker early published articles which declared: “A Chinese thinker tells Obama: human hopes are in China, new Chinese ideas will lead the world for thousands of years”,"Without Chinese thoughts, the world will lost”.

Xuan Changwei points out the Oriental universal values as the significance landmark of human civilization and this is not a trivial matter!

Chinese civilization will once again become a huge impact on world civilizations!

What is about your concern?
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Xuanchangwei wrote: July 13th, 2017, 4:19 am I. the eleven main sources of the oriental universal values:
1. the philosophies come from:
...
(2) the philosophy of "harmony between man and nature" in Chinese traditional culture
...
(7) the construction of the pure land on the earth and the way to Bodhisattva Maitreya Bodhisattva (sentient beings, benefit others and the world, the interests of heaven and earth; it is a kind of new Maitreya Bodhisattva advocated by Sade, rather than the way of Bodhisattva Shakyamuni's Buddhist teachings)

...

The oriental universal values respect “the interests of all sentient beings, benefit others and the world, and the interests of heaven and the earth”, therefore, the oriental universal values are collectivism, righteousness and cosmopolitanism. These are closely related to Aristotle’s thoughts and Liang Qichao’s development and exploration of human beings should benefit others and the world.

...

The oriental universal values "for others, for society, for the world, for all beings" are significantly implanted in its body and manifested in the past history and today.

...

The Oriental universal values are “social morality” in nature, “selfless”, “ interests of all sentient beings, benefit others and the world, and the interests of the heaven and the earth. These are the pursuits of human ideal destination, and human ultimate civilization of the universal values.

...

“A Chinese thinker tells Obama: human hopes are in China, new Chinese ideas will lead the world for thousands of years”,"Without Chinese thoughts, the world will lost”.

...

Chinese civilization will once again become a huge impact on world civilizations!
Thank you for sharing your perspective on oriental values and morality! It is very interesting. I find it strange that this topic didn't receive a reply until now.

I find it interesting to notice in your article that oriental intellectual culture is set to create harmony between humans and nature and that its primary core values are "respect for all sentient beings, benefit others and the world, and the interests of heaven and the earth". As it appears, such values could become leading in the future so I would consider the conclusion of your article plausible when merely looking at the content of your article.

Your article indicates that Western values are primarily focussed on individualism and personal freedom and there is no mention of Western morality.

When reading your article, it would seem that Western people would naturally be more selfish oriented while oriental people would naturally more moral in nature in their relationship with other people and their environment.

From a Western perspective however, China is considered to have a much lower state of morality and it is considered a major concern.

For example, there is a Wikipedia article dedicated to animal cruelty in China. It gives the impression that Chinese people in general are careless about the well-being of animals and nature because it hints at a structural morality problem that stands besides many similar problems.

Animal cruelty in China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_we ... s_in_China

How would you explain this Western perspective on China, while your article would give rise to the idea that the opposite should be the case?

I noticed that Chinese philosopher Mencius (Confucianism), one of the most profound philosophers in Chinese history, mentioned the following with regard animal morality.

Philosopher Mencius, the next great Confucian theorist after Confucius, said that by no means were human beings exempt from treating animals with respect and regard. It is certainly a good thing to treat animals with kindness, and, like Confucius, Mencius would likely have looked down upon a blatant recklessness toward animals and would have regarded the wanton, indiscriminate taking of nonhuman life as senseless.

Confucianism is the primary philosophy in China and as it appears from this quote, philosopher Confucius (the paragon of Chinese sages) would have disapproved of animal cruelty.

How can it be explained that from a Western perspective, Chinese culture is considered cruel and careless towards animals and nature?

When I grew up as a child, I was introduced to a Western vision on China through films such as Karate Kid. It has ingrained me with an idea that morality and wisdom in China is more profound than in Western countries and that Chinese philosophy might be a guide for a higher quality moral life and a life harmonious with nature.

When I would reflect on the Western perspective on China in today's publications, it would appear as if China could be considered a third world country when it concerns morality.

What would be your response to the described presumed Western perspective on oriental morality?
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Interesting topic! Perhaps Pattern-chaser and Sy Borg have an interesting perspective on this.

Two example quotes with regard Animal Ethics in China:
Sy Borg wrote: August 7th, 2022, 9:12 pmAnimal ethics, like the ethics around slavery, are very gradually filtering through populations, even the new generations of Chinese, who are increasingly aware of the extreme, psychopathic cruelty of their parents' generation, including their "beloved" leader. However, with economic pressure comes pressure to rationalise factory farms even more to bring down costs, at the expense of decency. As for the wild, numerous mammal and bird species are already endangered, and their prognosis is poor.
Sy Borg wrote: August 8th, 2022, 4:32 pm It does not matter what people are supposed to believe, or seem to believe. The proof is in the actual and, when it comes to animals (and people), China is arguably the most cruel nation in the world, happily bullying the weak in grotesque ways, with zero consideration for what they feel, often harming them just for "fun".

Eating the brains of living, drugged monkeys. Skinning reptiles alive. 10 million dogs and 4 million cats killed for food, crushed into small cages. The west's treatment of pigs is a disgrace, but China does it to pigs,. bogs, cats, pangolins, bats etc.

The next generation of Chinese appear to be more humane, but that cannot undo prior evils or bring back extinct animals. Anthropocentrists are getting their wish - an almost entirely human world, free of "dirty, dangerous animals". The world is turning into a sterile oversized ER ward for humans.
How can profound animal cruelty be explained considering the proposition made in the OP?
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value wrote: August 9th, 2022, 3:02 pm Interesting topic! Perhaps @Pattern-chaser and @Sy Borg have an interesting perspective on this.

Two example quotes with regard Animal Ethics in China:
Sy Borg wrote: August 7th, 2022, 9:12 pmAnimal ethics, like the ethics around slavery, are very gradually filtering through populations, even the new generations of Chinese, who are increasingly aware of the extreme, psychopathic cruelty of their parents' generation, including their "beloved" leader. However, with economic pressure comes pressure to rationalise factory farms even more to bring down costs, at the expense of decency. As for the wild, numerous mammal and bird species are already endangered, and their prognosis is poor.
Sy Borg wrote: August 8th, 2022, 4:32 pm It does not matter what people are supposed to believe, or seem to believe. The proof is in the actual and, when it comes to animals (and people), China is arguably the most cruel nation in the world, happily bullying the weak in grotesque ways, with zero consideration for what they feel, often harming them just for "fun".

Eating the brains of living, drugged monkeys. Skinning reptiles alive. 10 million dogs and 4 million cats killed for food, crushed into small cages. The west's treatment of pigs is a disgrace, but China does it to pigs,. bogs, cats, pangolins, bats etc.

The next generation of Chinese appear to be more humane, but that cannot undo prior evils or bring back extinct animals. Anthropocentrists are getting their wish - an almost entirely human world, free of "dirty, dangerous animals". The world is turning into a sterile oversized ER ward for humans.
How can profound animal cruelty be explained considering the proposition made in the OP?
It would be easy enough to create an equivalent statement about the west's ideals and ignore all of its problems, more or less like the OP.

Motherhood statements mean nothing. We don't need to be told how China operates because we can see it in practice.
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I just chuckled at the use of the descriptor "Oriental", since that's the terminology I grew up with and prefer, but can get scolded by my daughter.
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Xuanchangwei wrote: July 13th, 2017, 4:19 am ...
Your OP is interesting and informative, but I can't see the philosophical question you are asking? What sort of replies are you looking/hoping for?
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LuckyR wrote: August 10th, 2022, 5:00 pm I just chuckled at the use of the descriptor "Oriental", since that's the terminology I grew up with and prefer, but can get scolded by my daughter.
On what basis?
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Xuanchangwei wrote: July 13th, 2017, 4:19 am ...
Pattern-chaser wrote: August 11th, 2022, 7:59 amYour OP is interesting and informative, but I can't see the philosophical question you are asking? What sort of replies are you looking/hoping for?
Interesting question! I am looking forward to a reply.
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Sculptor1 wrote: August 11th, 2022, 2:28 pm
LuckyR wrote: August 10th, 2022, 5:00 pm I just chuckled at the use of the descriptor "Oriental", since that's the terminology I grew up with and prefer, but can get scolded by my daughter.
On what basis?
Oh, haven't you heard? The current term is "Asian".
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LuckyR wrote: August 12th, 2022, 2:21 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: August 11th, 2022, 2:28 pm
LuckyR wrote: August 10th, 2022, 5:00 pm I just chuckled at the use of the descriptor "Oriental", since that's the terminology I grew up with and prefer, but can get scolded by my daughter.
On what basis?
Oh, haven't you heard? The current term is "Asian".
"Oriental" is more precise. Asian could mean anything.
So, not I've not consulted your wokictionary.
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Sculptor1 wrote: August 12th, 2022, 2:35 pm
LuckyR wrote: August 12th, 2022, 2:21 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: August 11th, 2022, 2:28 pm
LuckyR wrote: August 10th, 2022, 5:00 pm I just chuckled at the use of the descriptor "Oriental", since that's the terminology I grew up with and prefer, but can get scolded by my daughter.
On what basis?
Oh, haven't you heard? The current term is "Asian".
"Oriental" is more precise. Asian could mean anything.
So, not I've not consulted your wokictionary.
It's all fashion/trendiness.
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LuckyR wrote: August 12th, 2022, 3:01 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: August 12th, 2022, 2:35 pm
LuckyR wrote: August 12th, 2022, 2:21 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: August 11th, 2022, 2:28 pm

On what basis?
Oh, haven't you heard? The current term is "Asian".
"Oriental" is more precise. Asian could mean anything.
So, not I've not consulted your wokictionary.
It's all fashion/trendiness.
Swings and roundabouts.
Black was once scorned in favour of coloured. Then my black brother in-law told me he was not "coloured-in" and the word was now "black". Someone told me "negro" was more acceptable since it was more scientific and euphemistic than "darkie", which my American dad was shocked to hear my English grandmother use in the late 1950s. She was not prejudiced and had an affair with a Jamaican in the 1930s.
Then my Mum used to tell me that Wog meant "worthy oriental gentleman", but I was not buying that, thankfully. I think she was trying to be nice.
But as for Asian. I've never thought that was useful, as it usually means Indian or Pakistani in the UK.

Obviously when you are saying something negative about large groups of people any categorical word tends to be suspect.
Care for animals is at its greatest height amongst SOME Asians I could name. No where greater in the world than Jainists.
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LuckyR wrote: August 12th, 2022, 2:21 pm Oh, haven't you heard? The current term is "Asian".
Sculptor1 wrote: August 12th, 2022, 2:35 pm "Oriental" is more precise. Asian could mean anything.
So, not I've not consulted your wokictionary.
LuckyR wrote: August 12th, 2022, 3:01 pm It's all fashion/trendiness.
And courtesy. Don't forget that important contributor to this issue. Fashion and trendiness play their part too, of course.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: August 13th, 2022, 9:01 am
LuckyR wrote: August 12th, 2022, 2:21 pm Oh, haven't you heard? The current term is "Asian".
Sculptor1 wrote: August 12th, 2022, 2:35 pm "Oriental" is more precise. Asian could mean anything.
So, not I've not consulted your wokictionary.
LuckyR wrote: August 12th, 2022, 3:01 pm It's all fashion/trendiness.
And courtesy. Don't forget that important contributor to this issue. Fashion and trendiness play their part too, of course.
Who is complaining other than middle class PC warrirors?
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Sculptor1 wrote: August 13th, 2022, 9:45 am
Pattern-chaser wrote: August 13th, 2022, 9:01 am
LuckyR wrote: August 12th, 2022, 2:21 pm Oh, haven't you heard? The current term is "Asian".
Sculptor1 wrote: August 12th, 2022, 2:35 pm "Oriental" is more precise. Asian could mean anything.
So, not I've not consulted your wokictionary.
LuckyR wrote: August 12th, 2022, 3:01 pm It's all fashion/trendiness.
And courtesy. Don't forget that important contributor to this issue. Fashion and trendiness play their part too, of course.
Who is complaining other than middle class PC warrirors?
Actually, I have to admit that the current trend takes into account the preferences of the folks being labeled, which was previously not the case. Who am I to argue if a majority of "Asians" (or at least the most vocal among them) prefer that term over Oriental, even if I am Oriental.
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