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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by BlindedWantsToSee » January 6th, 2018, 4:12 am

Yes, it is also called Causality, a principle advocated by Determinism. From a different article I wrote, I quote:

"Every cause has an effect, and every action evokes a chain reaction, including an equivalent action that goes back to the doer of such action. The totality of what a person is, feels, and does, is the result of previously planted seeds. Then that person continues the chain by planting his or her own seeds. What people sow, they reap. If we sow harm to others, we will reap harm for ourselves. Any harm that comes back to us comes mechanically, not by somebody getting revenge necessarily. The law of Causality tells us that any and all actions become causes which have effects. Those effects also have effects, in a chain reaction. The whole universe is like a very complex row of dominoes. Eventually, what we do to others comes back to us.

This is not mysticism; it is physics! What I'm saying seems to be mysticism because the effects or reactions that I'm talking about are not immediate. They may take months, or years or decades or a lifetime to manifest. An example of an effect that is not seen right away is delayed onset muscle soreness. This is the pain and stiffness felt in muscles several hours to days after unaccustomed or strenuous exercise. The soreness is felt most strongly 24 to 72 hours after the exercise. If the delay for the muscle soreness to start were to become longer; let's say 6 months, we would not know why the soreness is there. The same would happen if our memories where extremely short. Let's say we forget the exercise we did by the end of the hour, and the next morning we wake up sore. It would seem mysticism to suggest exercise caused it. But it is not mysticism, it is physics! There are a lot of examples of delayed effects: eating junk, smoking, and practicing bad habits of most types. The negative effects on our lives may not be obvious for a long time".

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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by Burning ghost » January 7th, 2018, 3:19 am

If this was "physics" you'd not likely be discussing it on a philosophy site in a forum title "Ethics and Morality" under the heading "The Universal Moral Code."

It is hard to know what to make of this thread tbh. It seems that some people have a strange idea of what "karma" means. Well, I say strange, I guess they just adhere to the vague westernized approximation of "karma", to wish I can only say why bother bringing in a foreign idea to fit your native view? Just use plain old English and say "those you do good reap the rewards", you don't need Eastern mysticism to express such a view.

That said I do see that there is a lot that can be relatable to Western religiosity in regard to the idea of "karma", but I would be using the term in a much more broader way myself fif I was to compare the differing religious ideas.
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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by Burning ghost » January 7th, 2018, 3:24 am

That said I find your "code" interesting. I think you have managed to express to extreme poles of the human condition. I neither believe I "own" myself or that anyone else "owns" me. I think the reality of the situation lies in between the two and that to adhere to one view over the other opens up a path to danger ideologies. One would have to be very wise and intelligent in order to navigate such an unforgiving path of extreme ideology.
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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by BlindedWantsToSee » January 7th, 2018, 5:06 am

The terminology we use, the words we use, are not as important as the realities those words are trying to describe. Accurately understanding reality, understanding truth, is good for us. If the terminology I use does not allow you to understand your reality, please don't use it. If my post prompted you to think about these important issues, and if as a result you are now closer to the truth by drawing up your own conclusions, then I'm satisfied. That was my intention.

If I were to use Henry Ford's way of speaking, I would say:

Whether you think you own yourself or think you don't, you’re right.
Whether you believe you, exclusively, have rights over your own life or not, you are right.
If you think only you have the right to determine your life and your destiny, or you think others have that right, or you think it is s mix of you and others who have that right, in any case you are right.

It's all good. Whatever you want for yourself or whatever you are more comfortable with is good for you. You make the rules in you (nobody else can because nobody else is in there, only you is in you).

I think you are probably right about the dangers of extreme ideologies. I think your heart needs to be in the right place. I think my heart is in the right place. I know I make mistakes, and I'm willing to suffer the consequences, and I believe that ending injustice, violence, cruelty, misery, disease, and all other types of suffering in all living beings is worth the risk.

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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by Burning ghost » January 7th, 2018, 9:01 am

It just sounds a bit like people could read your words and justify delusions by them.

Words are most certainly important. They can change the world and they are dangerous if misused.
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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by Zarathustra2008 » January 10th, 2018, 10:43 pm

People believes what they want to believe. Karma is a belief system that promote rules and good behaviors. I have been taught to fear karma all my life as your bad deeds will come back to you ten folds. The moral of the story is, you are still going to reap what you sow...soon or later.

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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by BlindedWantsToSee » January 11th, 2018, 9:27 am

I agree we reap what we sow, sooner or later. That's karma. I don't believe the retribution comes tenfold, though; I believe it is in kind or somewhat proportionate to our actions. I do not believe karma should be feared, though. We can beat karma. The way to beat karma is called forgiveness. We must forgive others for the wrongs they have done to us, and we must forgive ourselves for the wrongs we have done to others and to ourselves. If we let go of the need for punishment or retribution (for both others and ourselves), we are letting go of karma; and it no longer has power over us.

Karma is misunderstood. Karma is the law of cause and effect, with a twist. To illustrate: let us suppose we take a hammer with one hand, and we strike our other hand with it as hard as we can. At that point we find out this action is the wrong action to take. We have caused ourselves harm. It is obvious we have done it to ourselves. That is immediate karma, cause and effect. Now, let's suppose we take the hammer and we strike others with it. We are empowered now. Others fear us. Others do what we want. Now we feel good instead of having a broken hand, but karma will get us back at some point in the future for the evil of our actions toward others. However, this is just an appearance because, in reality, we are all connected, in an energetic level, in a similar way our hand is connected to our brain (this is not obvious, but it is true). We are made of the same energy everybody else is made of. When we strike or harm others, we are really doing it to ourselves. When karma catches up to us and we start feeling the pain, we believe karma is doing it; but we are wrong. This time it is not obvious, but the pain we are feeling is a pain we caused to ourselves by harming others which are connected to us. There is no need to fear karma because we are in control of karma. If we do not cause ourselves harm by causing others harm, and we let go of hard feelings or guilt, we have just destroyed karma.

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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by Burning ghost » January 11th, 2018, 10:41 am

Karma is not misunderstood, it is MISTRANSLATED.
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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by BlindedWantsToSee » January 11th, 2018, 12:05 pm

Interesting. What do you mean? Is there ill intention on the part of those who translate karma, to deceive or manipulate people? Or is the mistranslation unintentional, due to incompetence?

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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by Burning ghost » January 11th, 2018, 12:28 pm

I see no problem if you're brought up in India to refer to "karma." If on the other hand you happen to be European it makes more sense to root your use of analogy and metaphor in European mythos given that European languages are necessarily entwined with European mythos not Indian mythos.

This is not to say that they are not related only that there is serious danger of making false equivalence between two completely separate historical traditions.

You reap what you sow is a Christian saying and "karma" is certainly a vaguely comparable idea, but I'd be hard pressed to say I know with any authority that they are the same thing based on the same mystical, mythological or moral themes. For one the "karmic" principle engages with the idea of reincarnation and points to pains suffered in this life being caused by a past life. Christianity doesn't hold to such ideas.
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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by BlindedWantsToSee » January 12th, 2018, 1:15 am

To be honest, I pay no attention to what the Christian religion says, or what the Hindu religion says, or what any other religion says, about karma or about anything else; not anymore. They are all wrong! (claiming to have the truth). Actually, I'm positive they are actually lying to their followers, deceiving them to lead them away from the truth, to keep them under control, to manipulate them, to take advantage of them, to keep perpetually receiving their support and their money, without regard for their followers' spiritual well-being.

The Truth I'm talking about is Reality. Reality is what it is. None of us know the full Truth. We only believe we know what are approximations of reality. We have ideas that might resemble Reality, the way things actually work, the Truth. Then we create labels, symbols, words, to represent the ideas, or group of ideas, we have regarding Reality. The word "karma" and the words "you reap what you sow" are nothing but labels, symbols that represent the ideas religions teach about an aspect of Reality, ideas that do not fully conform to what is or to true Reality. Neither karma, nor the christian equivalent of karma really exist. They are both lies, so the details of their doctrines do not really matter. My advice to everybody is: find the Truth; determine Reality for yourself, and do not rely on religions. They are lying and taking advantage of you.

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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by Burning ghost » January 12th, 2018, 2:01 am

Okay, so you're talking complete nonsense. Why? Can you seriously talk about "karma" and "reap what you sow" completely ignorant to the context and in willful ignorance of your cultural heritage?

Basically you're asking us to ignore you. Seems like a curious approach.
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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by BlindedWantsToSee » January 12th, 2018, 8:42 am

I'm cautioning you to ignore religious teachings which, in my personal experience and what we see in the world, are not leading people to a good life.

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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by Namelesss » January 30th, 2018, 12:42 am

BlindedWantsToSee wrote:
October 20th, 2017, 7:33 pm
The Universal Moral Code
There is no such thing.
The nature of the Balance of the Perfection of What Is precludes such a silly and self-justifying notion!

Absolute morality leads logically to absolute intolerance.
-Michael Shermer (The Science of Good and Evil)

"Every kind of partial and transitory disequilibrium must perforce contribute towards the great equilibrium of the whole.." - Rene' Guenon

From a religious Perspective (and a dictionary), 'morality' is judging people/stuff as 'good' or 'bad/evil'!

This is exact manifestation of the stolen Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (Sin of Pride/judgment) in the Garden!

As a Xtian (or any other religion), we are warned against 'judging' others;
"Judge not lest you be judged!"
Such judgment (good/evil) is the sin of 'pride'!
'Pride' is the only sin (from which all others spring), yet the hypocrites flaunt their practices, joyfully, proudly, in the face of their god!

You are told that;
"If you judge, judge with righteous judgment!"
Yet goes on to say that;
"None are righteous, no not one!"

Judgment, as the sinful morality that you suggest, is a very personal thing among the sinful who do so judge 'others'!

"Perhaps it is the curvature of space that, like a funhouse mirror distorting our own reflection, we imagine strangers." - Mythopoeicon

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Re: The Universal Moral Code

Post by BlindedWantsToSee » February 1st, 2018, 4:12 pm

I'm afraid you are missing the point of what this post is trying to say. This code of righteousness has nothing to do with judging others or even oneself. This modal code has nothing to do with religion either. Universal righteousness is concerned with answering questions like: what is justice, precisely? What makes an action right or wrong?

The code states what justice is. Justice is equality of rights, and in the treatment of, all living beings, without exceptions. No living being is capable of living righteously because of the nature of their bodies and minds. Conclusion is that life itself is unjust, unrighteous, wrong, and evil because the very nature of life prevents all living beings from living in a peaceful, fair, righteous way, a way that does not result in harm to any sentient being.

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