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Burning ghost
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Rule to live by, order of reward

Post by Burning ghost » November 15th, 2017, 2:41 am

I would like to hear what 10 rules people would use for society and the hierarchy of reward.


Example:

1- Reward one (Freedom to great degree for ownership and resources - eg. can own several large companies and residences plus access to more resources than usual)
2- Reward two (Freedom to lesser degree for ownership and resources)
3- Reward three (Limited period of great degree for ownership and resources)
4- Reward Four (Limited period of lesser degree for ownership and resources)
5- Reward Five (Great economic/monetary reward)
6- Reward Six (Large economic/monetary reward)
7- Reward Seven (lesser economic/monetary reward)
8- Reward Eight (Free living, within reasonable limits, for several months)
9- Reward Nine (Free living, within reasonable limits, for several weeks)
10- Reward Ten (Free living, within reasonable limits, for several days)

If you wish to change the level of reward feel free to do so, but please try and stick to rewards and apply appropriate action required for the reward.

I have not thought about this much myself so here is my gut reaction:

1- Continued political achievement across the globe.
2- Continued political achievement across the nation.
3- Continued political achievement across several communities.
4- Continued political achievement within community.
5- Act of excelled skill that builds on nation (rewards in Arts, Sciences, Management and other areas)
6- Act of excelled skill that builds on multiple communities (rewards in Arts, Sciences, Management and other areas)
7- Act of excelled skill that builds on community (rewards in Arts, Sciences, Management and other areas)
8- Annual nationwide vote to find "good citizen." (No repetitions for winner allowed)
9- Tri annual combined community vote to find "good citizen." (No repetitions within the same year.)
10- Blind weekly community vote to find "good citizen." (No repetitions within the same year unless deferred by winner.)

That was tricky! I realise it is vague, but I don't expect you to spend all week thinking this out either. Just 5-10 mins if you can spare them.

Thanks
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Re: Rule to live by, order of reward

Post by Maxcady10001 » November 15th, 2017, 12:45 pm

1.There would be Free living.
2. There would be Monetary compensation.
3. At the next level More monetary compensation.
4. People could obtain a Position of social responsibility.
5.If they wanted More social responsibility.
6. They could earn Honorary awards.
7. They could earn a Greater degree of social responsibility
8. They could earn the Highest honors and monetary awards.
9. At this level they would have Unlimited access to resources.
10. Same as above, they would have Unlimited access to resources.

1. Free living is awarded to everyone, everyone is provided a basic income.
2. People who work will be compensated (ex. Janitor)
3. People who work more challenging jobs will be compensated appropriately (ex. Teacher).
4. Positions of social responsibility, a mayor, judge, or a CEO.
5. A governor.
6. Awards such as person of the week,month,or year with a monetary award.
7. Congressman, or Supreme court judge, or. Government advisory board
8. Nobel prize, pulitzer, oscar, all of the highest possible honors with a very large monetary prize
9. This is based on individual accomplishment, the access to resources is determined by the individual,an example of an individual in this category would be Bill Gates or Elon Musk.
10. Same as above.
The reward system above excludes a president.

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Re: Rule to live by, order of reward

Post by Georgeanna » November 15th, 2017, 3:09 pm

Burning ghost wrote:I would like to hear what 10 rules people would use for society and the hierarchy of reward.


Example:

1- Reward one (Freedom to great degree for ownership and resources - eg. can own several large companies and residences plus access to more resources than usual)
2- Reward two (Freedom to lesser degree for ownership and resources)
3- Reward three (Limited period of great degree for ownership and resources)
4- Reward Four (Limited period of lesser degree for ownership and resources)
5- Reward Five (Great economic/monetary reward)
6- Reward Six (Large economic/monetary reward)
7- Reward Seven (lesser economic/monetary reward)
8- Reward Eight (Free living, within reasonable limits, for several months)
9- Reward Nine (Free living, within reasonable limits, for several weeks)
10- Reward Ten (Free living, within reasonable limits, for several days)

If you wish to change the level of reward feel free to do so, but please try and stick to rewards and apply appropriate action required for the reward.

I have not thought about this much myself so here is my gut reaction:

1- Continued political achievement across the globe.
2- Continued political achievement across the nation.
3- Continued political achievement across several communities.
4- Continued political achievement within community.
5- Act of excelled skill that builds on nation (rewards in Arts, Sciences, Management and other areas)
6- Act of excelled skill that builds on multiple communities (rewards in Arts, Sciences, Management and other areas)
7- Act of excelled skill that builds on community (rewards in Arts, Sciences, Management and other areas)
8- Annual nationwide vote to find "good citizen." (No repetitions for winner allowed)
9- Tri annual combined community vote to find "good citizen." (No repetitions within the same year.)
10- Blind weekly community vote to find "good citizen." (No repetitions within the same year unless deferred by winner.)

That was tricky! I realise it is vague, but I don't expect you to spend all week thinking this out either. Just 5-10 mins if you can spare them.

Thanks
I will structure my initial response as per the 10 rules and punishment thread.

The 10 rules can be collapsed into one. Let the reward fit the virtue.
This, like punishment fitting the crime/vice, is about just deserts. Inflicted/bestowed because the offender/hero deserves it.
The underlying idea that the wicked (vicious) should suffer; the good (virtuous) prosper.

Who decides what is fitting and deserved?
How is the desert level decided? By gut ?

Timed out.

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Re: Rule to live by, order of reward

Post by Alias » November 16th, 2017, 12:39 am

Where is this supposed to take place?
What's the structure of the society?
What are the opportunities? What are the challenges? What are the obstacles? What are the temptations?
What kind of hierarchy? Who rules? By what method?
I can't make up rules without a social and material context for those rules to be applied in.

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Re: Rule to live by, order of reward

Post by Burning ghost » November 20th, 2017, 2:31 am

Alias -

You are human and capable of thinking. Just answer this thread and the other as I have. Don't over think it just roughly set out what you think and give it 5-10 mins thought.

If you cannot do it don't complain :P
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Re: Rule to live by, order of reward

Post by Alias » November 20th, 2017, 11:57 am

Not complaining - asking questions... okay.

1- Reward one - the scepter: presiding over the council of councils, which sets the guiding principles (12 interns to do research and 12 acolytes to run errands)
2- Reward two - a staff: representing a local council on the council of councils (3 interns and 3 acolytes)
3- Reward three - a rod: member of local council (1 intern, 1 acolyte)
4- Reward Four - occupational emblem [saw&hammer, wheat sheaf, eg] represent your guild at council meetings when appropriate
5- Reward Five - high standing in guild
6- Reward Six - membership in guild
7- Reward Seven - internship for council of councils; silent attendance at meetings
8- Reward Eight - internship at local council - silent attendance at meetings
9- Reward Nine - acolyteship at council of councils - stand by
10- Reward Ten - acolyteship at local council - stand by



1- Continued political achievement across the globe.
2- Continued political achievement across the nation.
3- Continued political achievement across several communities.
4- Continued political achievement within community.
5- Act of excelled skill that builds on nation (rewards in Arts, Sciences, Management and other areas)
6- Act of excelled skill that builds on multiple communities (rewards in Arts, Sciences, Management and other areas)
7- Act of excelled skill that builds on community (rewards in Arts, Sciences, Management and other areas)
8- Annual nationwide vote to find "good citizen." (No repetitions for winner allowed)
9- Tri annual combined community vote to find "good citizen." (No repetitions within the same year.)
10- Blind weekly community vote to find "good citizen." (No repetitions within the same year unless deferred by winner.)

That was tricky! I realise it is vague, but I don't expect you to spend all week thinking this out either. Just 5-10 mins if you can spare them.

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Re: Rule to live by, order of reward

Post by Maxcady10001 » December 11th, 2017, 8:48 pm

Why did you create these posts?

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Re: Rule to live by, order of reward

Post by Burning ghost » December 11th, 2017, 10:54 pm

Maxcady10001 wrote:
December 11th, 2017, 8:48 pm
Why did you create these posts?
It was a psychological test, but not enough replies.

I thought that people would do there upmost to avoid answering the question even though I didn't ask for an in depth reply, just a quick outline. Turned out to be true accept for a couple of attempts to answer. I then expected people to be more willing to answer the more positive "rewards" than the "punishments" ... like I said, not enough people responded to confirm my beliefs.

I did this because I notice this in myself when responding to OP's and sometimes find myself asking questions of the OP rather than answering it. I made these OP's clear and asked for a quick response.

Basically it was a failed experiment as a stand alone. Through experience of other OP's it just confirms that on these kinds of forums people are usually unwilling to answer ethical questions directly and prefer to fish for more information - by this it seems humans are not willing to respond to ethical questions without pretty much having the question half answered for them already by the set of premises. They tend to try and "think their way out" of the questions by unpicking it rather than facing the cold hard truth of their initial reaction.
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Re: Rule to live by, order of reward

Post by Maxcady10001 » December 11th, 2017, 11:06 pm

That seems like a really good idea for an experiment. What made you choose the ten rules for punishment and reward as the question to ask? I think you would have gotten more responses if you made the requirements simpler, but demanded a yes or no response. I say this because it took me a half an hour to decide on what rules and rewards to live by. I know I didn't come up with much. But why do you avoid direct answers to questions?

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Re: Rule to live by, order of reward

Post by Albert Tatlock » December 13th, 2017, 12:42 pm

Burning ghost wrote:
December 11th, 2017, 10:54 pm
Maxcady10001 wrote:
December 11th, 2017, 8:48 pm
Why did you create these posts?
It was a psychological test,
My advice would be to have another bash at it and try not to be too discouraged by your initial score.

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Re: Rule to live by, order of reward

Post by Judaka » December 22nd, 2017, 8:48 am

Basically it was a failed experiment as a stand alone. Through experience of other OP's it just confirms that on these kinds of forums people are usually unwilling to answer ethical questions directly and prefer to fish for more information - by this it seems humans are not willing to respond to ethical questions without pretty much having the question half answered for them already by the set of premises. They tend to try and "think their way out" of the questions by unpicking it rather than facing the cold hard truth of their initial reaction.
This is a result of people thinking it will be more entertaining to try to understand why such a thread is being created than spending 10 minutes creating a list of their ethical views. Indeed, the moment I saw your question, I only scrolled down to see this exact post from you, the chances of me actually compiling a list for you were nil, the question is not interesting enough. Your line of thinking is commonly called "confirmation bias" and it involves taking highly interpretable information and interpreting it as evidence for whatever you wanted to believe. I am saying this for your benefit and I hope you can set your ego aside and accept the truth.

There are too many people in the world for you to be saying "it seems humans are not willing to respond to ethical questions without pretty much having the question half answered for them by the set of premises" based on a couple of experiences you've had on a forum, a little humility goes a long way in philosophy.

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Re: Rule to live by, order of reward

Post by Burning ghost » December 22nd, 2017, 9:01 am

Judaka -

Yes, you're most likely correct. This is something I have observed elsewhere though and now I've let the cat out of the bag I'll have to go elsewhere to try again.

I could, and maybe I will, sift through some forums and look at different topics and see how willing people are to answer ethical questions. I would expect they are less willing to for he reasons I have stated, but of course there are always other possible explanations.

Also there are a number of other factors involved so even if there was many answers and it adhere to my expectations I wouldn't for a second think much of it because we're not exactly talking about a huge pool of people.

No time for humility! My ego is too big and it needs constant feeding :D
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