Why don't we assert in this society elder people the same rights?
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Oh I'm sorry, did anyone actually say/imply that?SimpleGuy wrote: ↑March 14th, 2018, 1:19 pm As i told you even in the group of elderly people , the concentration of large masses of money is not just that distributed equally , to claim that elder people are indirectly responsible for exploitation or the wealth of single individuals is a strong pertubation of reality.
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Top of Forbes 400;LuckyR wrote: ↑March 14th, 2018, 12:00 pmThis is a case where one person's experience (perhaps at the Dollar Store) will lead you astray. Look at the big picture. If you are correct, which age group do you think has amassed the greatest wealth?Namelesss wrote: ↑March 13th, 2018, 9:13 pm
Sorry, but my (limited) experience denies your assertion.
Go walk into some clinic waiting room and count the "overall privileged group"!
Or the 'Dollar Store'...
Perhaps I'm just not seeing the vast numbers of elderly who can afford their own health care because I do not visit private care doctors offices. Can't afford to.
Perhaps you are correct, but there are no reliable stats to support anyone's experience, just personal experience/Knowledge.
Now, if you want to call the elderly an "overall privileged group" because they are predominately white, that might be another story... *__-
1. Bill Gates
Net Worth: $81B
Source of wealth: Microsoft
Now, if "elderly" Bill Gates' amassed stash of (our) resources/wealth were evenly distributed amongst his age group, then not a single elderly would be homeless or hungry or in poverty. One cannot extrapolate that concentrated wealth to be distributed.
It is a private hoard of a single person.
Like Zuckerberg.
Like Trumpsky.
The percentages are not the problem, the problem is that ANY of our elderly, ANY of our children, ANYONE in Amerikkka has to suffer poverty and lack of health care (elderly less able to cope through the grinding poverty, less flexible...)!
That we allow our elderly, or anyone, to 'rot', is a Hellish indictment of our narcissistic, greedy, capitalist 'culture', and We individuals that comprise it!
And that's my 2 cents! *__-
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Some of those elderly 'rotting' have been badly let down by family and the state and society. Some of them are just reaping what they sowed.
Don't you think you are being a little imprecise to make any useful conclusions?
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I think everybody has deserved in todays so called normal societies a portly old ages time period. I think it's disgusting to call old people rotting.Eduk wrote: ↑March 15th, 2018, 4:37 am Nameless. Many elderly people live happy and content lives and aren't rotting. Many live lonely lives suffering many complaints and would pass your definition.
Some of those elderly 'rotting' have been badly let down by family and the state and society. Some of them are just reaping what they sowed.
Don't you think you are being a little imprecise to make any useful conclusions?
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Sorry are you directing that comment at me?I think it's disgusting to call old people rotting
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Anyone who read what I wrote can easily see that I did not mention the elderly 'rotting' in a pejorative way, the context is that many ARE LEFT BY THEIR SOCIETY TO ROT, fend for themselves.SimpleGuy wrote: ↑March 15th, 2018, 3:26 pmI think everybody has deserved in todays so called normal societies a portly old ages time period. I think it's disgusting to call old people rotting.Eduk wrote: ↑March 15th, 2018, 4:37 am Nameless. Many elderly people live happy and content lives and aren't rotting. Many live lonely lives suffering many complaints and would pass your definition.
Some of those elderly 'rotting' have been badly let down by family and the state and society. Some of them are just reaping what they sowed.
Don't you think you are being a little imprecise to make any useful conclusions?
Read more carefully.
And eduk, one can blithely and ignorantly claim that anyone is just 'reaping what they sowed'. Seems to be used as a 'disconnect', other than when it might apply to us.
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If some wag is willing to accept some canned definition/explanation on Google, especially of that nature, perhaps they don't belong on a philosophy forum in the first place?
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I'm intrigued by the phrase "useful conclusion".
The simplest of 'useful conclusions' is that there is a real problem that needs to be addressed.
The 'denial' of that problem is presented as the overarching assertion of 'the old' as 'doing well/wealthy'. A Republikkkan propagandist lie, at best, obfuscation.
The 'useful conclusion' is that there are disenfranchised, poverty stricken, eating from dumpsters (if lucky), alone, invisible elderly.
The poverty children at least live with their poverty parents.
The identification of the 'problem' (so far, the symptom of the problem) is useful in the formulation of an appropriate solution.
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'reverse your car!' in a strong posh voice, which did not have a hint of comprehension in it.
I then looked behind and couldn't see a thing. It being night time in the peak District and probably raining (normally is). There was a stone wall to one side and the road was narrow. I would have been reversing blind in effect. I tried to explain again to the lady driving the car. To which she replied
'reverse
Your
Car!' in her best shouting at commoners voice.
I could only roll my eyes at the poor lady. She had no more comprehension of reality than the cows in the field next to her.
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... and then the train struck my vehicle!! *__-Eduk wrote: ↑March 16th, 2018, 4:25 am ...I tried to explain again to the lady driving the car. To which she replied
'reverse
Your
Car!' in her best shouting at commoners voice.
I could only roll my eyes at the poor lady. She had no more comprehension of reality than the cows in the field next to her.
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I understand your red statement. I only had a problem with comments that ignore your orange one. Wealth distribution issues aren't about the elderlyNamelesss wrote: ↑March 14th, 2018, 9:12 pmTop of Forbes 400;
1. Bill Gates
Net Worth: $81B
Source of wealth: Microsoft
Now, if "elderly" Bill Gates' amassed stash of (our) resources/wealth were evenly distributed amongst his age group, then not a single elderly would be homeless or hungry or in poverty. One cannot extrapolate that concentrated wealth to be distributed.
It is a private hoard of a single person.
Like Zuckerberg.
Like Trumpsky.
The percentages are not the problem, the problem is that ANY of our elderly, ANY of our children, ANYONE in Amerikkka has to suffer poverty and lack of health care (elderly less able to cope through the grinding poverty, less flexible...)!
That we allow our elderly, or anyone, to 'rot', is a Hellish indictment of our narcissistic, greedy, capitalist 'culture', and We individuals that comprise it!
And that's my 2 cents! *__-
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I see it differently.
'Wealth' distribution affects everyone!
There are sufficient resources on Our planet for all to live comfortably.
When one takes more than his share, there is less for another.
'Charity' is not taking more than your share, of anything. Ever!
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