I made another blog post with my favorite quotes about vengeance and revenge
You say that you like to get the advantage over people for your own benefit. Maybe that is your main goal, just as it is probably the rapist's goal to violently take advantage of his victims. As someone who has adopted such a selfishly violent outlook (no offense), how would you recommend people like myself dissuade others from violently getting the advantage over people? How do you think I could most convince people to adopt compassion instead of vengefulness?
Obviously, your outlook is not compatible with the same outlook in other people. In other words, you cannot both get the "1-up" on each other, and in the process people trying will destroy each other. So it is in the interest of those who want a more peaceful society to dissuade people from engaging in vengeful violence. (Again, forceful defense and rectification are different, and I support them as do many humanitarians.) I want to know how you believe people who want more peacefulness can most effectively dissuade people like you from adopting a violent "1-up" code of conduct and from engaging in vengeful violence.
MarkE wrote:In high-school you have no idea how often i've seen a compassionate, nice, substitute teacher taken advantage of. The whole paper airplanes stereotypes, name calling, general rudeness. The teacher shrugs and says "they're just kids", losing their respect. A teacher who won't take crap from anyone has my respect.
I don't know, but I assume you are making the mistake of conflating weakness
. Not only are they clearly not the same, I would argue that anger, discompassion and hatred are symptoms of weakness, or a least the self-perception of weakness, namely from the frustration that ensues and the attempts to compensate for one's own perceived inferiority.
You say that individuals and society would be better off if they did not bottle up their emotions. Generally speaking, I agree. However, people can find other outlets for their emotions than by violently attacking other people against those other people's will. For example, I think sports are a healthy way to get out the energy. Additionally, I believe creative expression (e.g. painting, writing poems or songs, etc.) is a healthy way for people to get out their emotions. Also, peaceful communication between people lets them get out there emotions without vengefully attacking each other.
I think forcefully attacking people is a very unhealhy way to get out one's emotions. In fact, I think it generally is counter-productive. Hurting others out of anger, resentment or hatred generally leads to more anger, resentment and hatred. It usually leads to a vicious cycle of revenge upon re-revenge upon re-re-revenge and so on. Worse yet, when a person indulges in vengeance, I believe it usually worsens their own negative emotions (e.g. anger, hate, resentment, etc.) making them even more violent. That's what I think Walter Weckler meant went he said, "Revenge has no more quenching effect on emotions than salt water has on thirst."
I agree with him. For example, consider the man who catches his wife cheating; he goes home, cries and pains over it, and then goes back and kills her; Do you think he is going to feel better or do you think indulging in his vengeful desires will just make it worse? He might unsurprisingly shoot himself after he realizes how counter-productive shooting his wife was.
You say that "justice works only if the criminal knows he's going to get his action payed back to him with interest." Why? I don't think that is true. I think criminal justice works even more effectively when its sole purpose is to use force to defend people from criminal victimizers by forcefully stopping and restraining the victimizer as well as forcing the victimizer to repay the damages. After doing all of that, how does causing extra harm to the victimizer out of a desire for vengeance make the world turn
? If anything, I think society is more disrupted when people go around attacking others, not out of defense or to rectify damage, but out of a desire for vengeance. In fact, I believe most acts of offensive interpersonal victimization (e.g. rape, murder, battery, vandalism, etc.) are done out of vengeance.
Remember, I support using defensive force (such as to forcefully stop a rapist and lock him up). Also remember, I support forced rectification (such as, when a vandal breaks someone else's window, making the vandal pay for the window repair). I'm talking about vengeance for vengeance's sake (such as breaking a window of the house of the vandal who had broke someone else's window). How can somebody not say that vengeance (for vengeance's sake) disrupts society and increases the presence of offensive interpersonal victimization (e.g. rape, murder, battery, vandalism, etc.)?