Are anger, discompassion and hatred symptoms of weakness?
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If I meet some steroid addicted body builder, he can very likely kick my ass, but he's still got a weakness with his steroid addiction.
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And even if they are well defined, it becomes 1) tricky to not have value based, rather than objective based evaluations 2) and even if one manages to get some kind of value free criteria, hard to measure.
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Re: Are anger, discompassion and hatred symptoms of weakness
To me the key to an answer lies on this slight but fundamental difference.
The difference is solved if we put theses affects in the way they manifest themselves – as movements. Like the following:
1. I have an image that an certain object of my hate somehow decreases my power to act/hinders or threatens my existence/discourages me, therefore makes me weaker.
2. My reaction is to eliminate or subjugate this image somehow (whether acting on the object or just on the image). This reaction is done with an increase of strenght. That's why the hatred manifestation seems to be a sign of power.
3. The result is only the disappearing of just one of my hatred cause. The other part lies in my own construction of my hatred elaborated in the course of my life. So I remain weak, because the only reason not to get hatred again depends on external causes.
4. If there is a possibility of the external cause of my hatred appear again, It will light up my weakness again, and I will react with hatred again.
I would not include compassion or discompassion in the same tendency, because they arise from the recognition of similarity that the object has with me, in such a way that I can recognize their emotions in myself. As we see, the increase or decrease of the power to act is not the factor. Maybe one can seem that ignore another human being but, instead of being cold, he is just avoiding to lose control with someone he actually hate. This would be a case of veiled hatred and not of discompassion.
If you liked it, read Spinoza's Ethics
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Anger is two kinds:
Wise anger and stupid anger.
Wise or rational anger usually happens against cruelty and injustice based on a right.
Stupid anger usually happens because of selfishness, arrogance or jealousy
The second anger is because of feeling a shortcoming and weakness
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So what is a feeling of weakness about injustice?Mans wrote: ↑September 16th, 2019, 4:41 pm in some situations,yes.
Anger is two kinds:
Wise anger and stupid anger.
Wise or rational anger usually happens against cruelty and injustice based on a right.
Stupid anger usually happens because of selfishness, arrogance or jealousy
The second anger is because of feeling a shortcoming and weakness
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Reading the pop I'm reminded of the childhood arguments we used to have about how to tell when someone was lying. "you're lying, I can tell because you're angry I called you on it." "no, I'm angry because you called me a liar." this OP just seems like a 'one-step up' from first grade philosophy. Sorry.
Love is not an emotion, it's a lie to cover-up selfishness.
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Knowledge isn't spread by misinformed rhetoric. Misinformation is never a responsible decision.
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Re: Are anger, discompassion and hatred symptoms of weakness?
I think they're signs of a failure to communicate socially. This is something of a specialist subject of mine. I.e. being autistic, I have experienced this many times. But - also because I'm autistic? - I have no idea what to do about it. That it happens, often, I can confirm. My mention of my "specialist subject" reflects how often it has happened to me. But is it a sign of weakness? I'm really not sure. Can we really dismiss intolerance as simple 'weakness'?
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Oh, I think you are badly mistaken if you think we humans can rationally summon and dismiss anger. An angry human is out of (rational) control, or something close to it. In this state, they cannot think or act rationally, except by coincidence. They certainly cannot dismiss their own anger, as you suggest they can. You are writing about Vulcans, not humans, I think.
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