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Re: Why do people murder?

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anarchyisbliss wrote: Sarcasm noted, nice one
Hehehe, Your kind of right though, Murder use to be the right of the individual who was wronged. People did it all the time, killed disobediant slaves, and no one thought anything of it, there was no moral or ethical problem with disposing of "property" persay..

From egyptian times to the building of the Americas.

Now if you kill too many people, they just kill you..but it's ok if you did it in the name of the Government, in war, cause now your a hero, and the christian "Thou shall not kill" goes right out the window...again in less your killing people in your own street...and thats, if thoughs people are not the enemy that is.

I think murder can be fun :) make it a sport, like in roman times.
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There is only one true answer for this one to me; people murder because they choose to. In life we make choices. Other than that murder is unessary, there's no reason. (Self defense isn't murder)
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mike wrote: Other than that murder is unessary, there's no reason. (Self defense isn't murder)
It may be necessary if someone crosses personal boundaries and you get territorial. Or if someone threatens you you may murder them. In fact, maybe those one out often serial killers who just do it out of compulsion are actually here for population control. After all, human beings' numbers are getting a little out of control.
"If there is hope, it lies in the proles." - George Orwell, 1984
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You're so much as saying there is 'nessasary' murder. Heh, maybye you're going out on a limb a bit there.
Serial killers are "here" "for" "population control".(?) The concept of anyone existing for the sole purpose of the 'cosmos' insinuates that there is some larger plan or somthing. I say why does there have to be some larger "scheme of things" cause maybye there is none. Population control? Well who goes and who stays I ask you sir?
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mike wrote:You're so much as saying there is 'nessasary' murder. Heh, maybye you're going out on a limb a bit there.
Serial killers are "here" "for" "population control".(?) The concept of anyone existing for the sole purpose of the 'cosmos' insinuates that there is some larger plan or somthing. I say why does there have to be some larger "scheme of things" cause maybye there is none. Population control? Well who goes and who stays I ask you sir?
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it is possible when human populations spike, nature breeds a mindless serial killer to help control the population. And who says there isn't a grand scheme, there's more to life than just humanity.
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What in "life" sir can you yourself experience that would be "outside humanity"?
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mike wrote:What in "life" sir can you yourself experience that would be "outside humanity"?
Are you kidding me? The entire world doesn't cling to the existence of human beings. If we were to be wiped out life would carry on. There are other living and non living organisms that carry out their lives or fulfill their purposes without putting human beings into the equation. If we all died do you think ants would stop building ant hills just because we wouldn't be studying them, do you think planets would stop rotating simply because we aren't looking at them through telescopes, do you think grass would stop being green just because we arent mowing it?
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oh yes perhaps they would. Are you you're ant's keeper or you're brothers'
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Re: Why do people murder?

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cynicallyinsane wrote:It seems everyone always agrees that murder is wrong.
I tend to disagree with this statement.
I am also not sure if you mean "murder" - the word (in definition)or the "murder" the actual act. If it's the word, then I'll agree, but the latter will depend on the definnition of the word based on the act in question. I'll explain...

1) Currently there are military operations going on in the Middle East. All the parties involved has experienced a number of casualties. The families of these soldiers are more likely to think of the death of their family member as "murder", where the opposing forces might think of it as retribution for the wrong that has been done against them and vice versa.
2) The word murder is also relative to a sense of morality. In psychological terms, a person classified as a psychopath is not a "maniac killer". These people are unfortunate human beings without the ability to experience emotions and therefore lacking the morality associated wit it. Thus they are more likely to have criminal tendencies than normal people. To these people life has no meaning (because the lack of emotions & morality causes detachment), thus they do not think of people as "human" but rather as "interactive objects". And to destroy an object is not murder. So ultimately this means the psychopath does not see it (what we perceive as "murder"), as murder.

So if one can't see one's deed as murder, it is not possible for it to be murder.

This to me is is murder in context of a morality point of view. In law its a whole different story.
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If you ask people on the street, 99 per cent would say that murder is wrong. So what cylyinsane said, "People always seem to agree that murder is wrong" is actually a pretty airtight statment and you're just galivanting.
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mike wrote:If you ask people on the street, 99 per cent would say that murder is wrong. So what cylyinsane said, "People always seem to agree that murder is wrong" is actually a pretty airtight statment and you're just galivanting.
In your ignorance you actualy proved my point. You have your own notion about what can be defined as murder. That definition and the act it describes is moraly wrong in your eyes. Now, I am merely stating that everyone doesn't have the same notion about the definition of murder. Therefore it is the word and the meaning acompanied with it that is said to be wrong. If you ask a a prisoner convicted of murder if murder is wrong, i'm sure the prisoner would agree with the statement. But ask them if they see the act they have been convicted of as murder, the responce would be quite different.

And please, try reading AND understandig posts before you try to insult someone. In philosophy an insult on someone else is actually a reflection of comprehention on oneself.
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Touche' You're quite right but I think what you're driving at could be seen as healthy living but, be moderate with the 'good person' thing cause perfectionism is a disease.
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Re: Why do people murder?

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cynicallyinsane wrote:It seems everyone always agrees that murder is wrong.

It might 'seem' like that to you, but is incorrect, in the larger sense. I, for one, do not always agree that 'murder' is 'wrong'. I would say that 'murder' (the deliberate killing of another human being) is not 'right' nor 'wrong', as I do not 'moralize/judge' that 'Is'.
So, why do people do it? Why do people commit murder?
Because it is their (our) 'nature'. It is who we are. People try to find justification, reasons, but 'cause and effect' is an obsolete notion waiting to be burried.
We all do as we must. There is no 'free-will/choice' so, hence, no 'why', just 'Is'.
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mike wrote:If you ask people on the street, 99 per cent would say that murder is wrong. So what cylyinsane said, "People always seem to agree that murder is wrong" is actually a pretty airtight statment and you're just galivanting.
Even assuming that you didn't just pull your '99% assertion' out of your.. hat..;
99% =/= "always"
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Post by mike »

Cyniclyinsane used the word "seems" when he\she originally said "always". If the 'seems' wasn't there, I wouldn't have agreed with the statement. The 'seems' covers the 1 percent, no?
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