I Hate Gays
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I wasn't trying to portray myself as a "baddy". I meant that people generally avoid face to face confrontation unless they're a certain type of personality. Perhaps you're the personally aggressive type, but anyway, that's not what I meant. Think of it this way...
The internet is the equivalent of a gun. It makes it far too easy to pull the trigger on your impulses. That's all.
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Spiral Out wrote:You're right Newme. Everything Humans do is to satisfy their need to ameliorate their suffering, disharmony or disequilibrium. Everyone is constantly attempting to achieve a better state of emotional being. We rationalize our actions as being altruistic, generous or kind, but subconsciously, and ultimately, we are only attempting to achieve those for our own benefit.
Good way of putting it, SpiralOut.
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When I say I hate people who hate xxxxx, I think I imagine myself as a defender of the weak and the voiceless. I think that's how many of us see it? Your question made me realise this for the first time. The dislike is a like a manifestation of the disbelief and impatience at that someone for not getting your views for supporting the other views. You aren't fighting for your own self are you? It's for someone else whom you support, so i think for the defender it adds a bit of nobility and morality to his arguments which makes it justified.
So morally, it can be argued that since that person's dislike and indignation is on someone else's behalf, it's actually pretty kind and supportive. And loyal. And from what I've noticed, the dislike isn't exactly hatred. The person mostly feels the other to be lacking the knowledge that makes his opposed views right. It generally isn't something he considers permanent.
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It is a matter of not discriminating and denigrating people without a just cause.
Change the labels in this quote to women, Gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.
"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”
Regards DL
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We all discriminate. Like you DL with your discrimination against the religious. It's just a different flavor for you, yes?
Good to know that we agree.
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Discrimination is good if the target is worthy. Remember that every law you follow is designed to have you discriminate against a sub group in our society. In fact, it compels you to discriminate.Spiral Out wrote:That little quip would have more purchase if anyone was "coming for" anyone else. It's a bit of an exaggeration to say the least. I can dislike anything I wish, and based on any reason I wish. As long as I've not infringed on anyone's rights or freedoms then there's no fault.
We all discriminate. Like you DL with your discrimination against the religious. It's just a different flavor for you, yes?
Good to know that we agree.
As to this issue, are the religious spoken of here showing views that you would not discriminate against?
Do you endorse what they do?
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It's like what they say to people who don't like sushi. You just didn't find the right one yetSpiral Out wrote:I see your point. Your best friend is gay and you think they're "fabolous" (whatever that is) therefore everyone must like them. Good logic.
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Whether or not a target is "worthy" of discrimination is entirely subjective. Besides, I'm not discriminating because I am not treating anyone any differently. If I state a dislike for someone or their ideology, but then treat them no different than anyone else, then I am not discriminating against them. It's that simple.Greatest I am wrote:Discrimination is good if the target is worthy.
Completely irrelevant.Greatest I am wrote:As to this issue, are the religious spoken of here showing views that you would not discriminate against?
Define what a "just cause" is, and how it applies to discrimination.Greatest I am wrote:It is a matter of not discriminating and denigrating people without a just cause.
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This statement is illogical, when related to human beings, and reminds me of the mentality of that which begins genocides.Greatest I am wrote:Discrimination is good if the target is worthy.
And as far as your ad hominem attacks, remember in debate, those who resort to them are considered to be those who have lost the debate.
It is ironic or hypocritical when many in the homosexual fetish group cry out discrimination, when those representing their group have stomped on other's rights (denying democratic process) and dish out discriminating ad hominem attacks (ie "homophobe", "hate monger") simply for someone acknowleding the means by which every one of us came to exist - through a mother and father. They want to shoot the messenger, and feel "discriminated against" because nature itself discriminates against 2 of the same sex, by denying them true sexual intercourse and offspring.Spiral Out wrote:Whether or not a target is "worthy" of discrimination is entirely subjective. Besides, I'm not discriminating because I am not treating anyone any differently. If I state a dislike for someone or their ideology, but then treat them no different than anyone else, then I am not discriminating against them. It's that simple.
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I think the 'middle path' in all of this is to place 'gay rights' under the general protection accorded to the right to privacy. This right asserts that individuals are free to engage in whatever consensual sexual behaviours they like in a free society. But it doesn't say that all sexual behaviours are equal, and it falls far short of what the gay activism movement is demanding in Western cultures.
Of course such an opinion is categorized as 'discriminatory' in the liberal democracies, so I rarely venture it. (Incidentally one progressive columnist who has been particularly brave and forthright in refusing to kneel before the gay rights juggernaut is Brendan O'Neill in pieces such as Congratulations, gay marriage campaigners – you have completely destroyed the meaning of social progress and Gay Marriage: A Case Study in Conformism).
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I have slightly altered my argument Spiral. I accept it is reasonable to dislike the open display of homosexuality without actively opposing homosexuality. The problem you have is the association with the obvious homophobes who would actively oppose gay rights.Spiral Out wrote:Interesting and insightful articles. I'd be interested to know what perspective the gay campaigners here (all those who have been calling me a homophobe throughout this thread, you know who you are) take on those articles.
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