Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 10th, 2018, 12:02 pm

Behe might well understand the NT, but such an understanding would necessitate a clear distinction between Christianity and Deism.

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by anonymous66 » August 10th, 2018, 12:05 pm

ThomasHobbes wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 12:00 pm
anonymous66 wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 11:55 am


You're going to have to spell it out. What makes you think Behe doesn't understand the New Testament?
I am saying that he cannot claim to be a Christian and a Deist at the same time.
What do you think "Christ"-ian implies? How can a Deity who left the universe to cruise at the beginning of time without further intervention "annoint" a king or "messiah"?
How can an non-interventionist god have created a religion?
Behe is not claiming to be a Christian and a Deist. Behe is a Christian who believes in a God who intervenes.

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 10th, 2018, 12:11 pm

anonymous66 wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 12:05 pm
Behe is not claiming to be a Christian and a Deist. Behe is a Christian who believes in a God who intervenes.
Then what is the point of evolution?
Since this is a system that requires no intervention?

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by anonymous66 » August 10th, 2018, 12:15 pm

ThomasHobbes wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 12:11 pm
anonymous66 wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 12:05 pm
Behe is not claiming to be a Christian and a Deist. Behe is a Christian who believes in a God who intervenes.
Then what is the point of evolution?
Since this is a system that requires no intervention?
As I understand it, Behe suggests that evolution itself requires intervention- because irreducible complexity.

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 10th, 2018, 12:25 pm

anonymous66 wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 12:15 pm
ThomasHobbes wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 12:11 pm


Then what is the point of evolution?
Since this is a system that requires no intervention?
As I understand it, Behe suggests that evolution itself requires intervention- because irreducible complexity.
I think I've heard enough at Behe.

I always find it puzzling that people waste so much time and effort trying to cling to useless ideas.

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by Eduk » August 10th, 2018, 12:38 pm

I have a small correction to an earlier statement
Michael Behe, a Christian who accepts evolution
Michael Behe, a Christian who does not accept evolution.

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 10th, 2018, 12:46 pm

Eduk wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 12:38 pm
I have a small correction to an earlier statement
Michael Behe, a Christian who accepts evolution
Michael Behe, a Christian who does not accept evolution.
Urrummmph!!!

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by anonymous66 » August 10th, 2018, 12:49 pm

Eduk wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 12:38 pm
I have a small correction to an earlier statement
Michael Behe, a Christian who accepts evolution
Michael Behe, a Christian who does not accept evolution.
It sure looks to me like he does. He accepts that all life has a common ancestry- that all life evolved from single-celled life that lived billions of years ago.

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by Eduk » August 10th, 2018, 12:52 pm

Let me try to give an example. I believe in the germ theory of disease. I wrap up warm so as not to get a cold.

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 10th, 2018, 12:54 pm

Eduk wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 12:52 pm
Let me try to give an example. I believe in the germ theory of disease. I wrap up warm so as not to get a cold.
What do you think this is an example of?

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by anonymous66 » August 10th, 2018, 12:59 pm

anonymous66 wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 12:49 pm
Eduk wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 12:38 pm
I have a small correction to an earlier statement



Michael Behe, a Christian who does not accept evolution.
It sure looks to me like he does. He accepts that all life has a common ancestry- that all life evolved from single-celled life that lived billions of years ago.
and he accepts that life evolved by means of natural selection.

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by Eduk » August 10th, 2018, 1:00 pm

I don't know really. Always tempted to say stupidity but people are quite surprising and I try not to underestimate (not always successfully). Maybe an example of pedantry. Or trolling. Or general cantankerousness. Who knows really, the end result is the same so I try not to get hung up on such things.

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by Eduk » August 10th, 2018, 1:01 pm

Sorry was answering
What do you think this is an example of?

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 10th, 2018, 1:04 pm

WHAT kind of EXAMPLE is this?
10 minutes ago
"Let me try to give an example. I believe in the germ theory of disease. I wrap up warm so as not to get a cold."
Of what, exaclty?

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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?

Post by Eduk » August 10th, 2018, 2:12 pm

Do you generally find unthinking demands to work out well for you?

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