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Please don't take my comments offensively, I find your mathematical presentations to be quite interesting and have nothing but respect for your view and efforts. You are perhaps finding it difficult for people to grasp your thoughts of which I admit too. For me this is simply because it is very specialised of which many terms and expression are completely new too me. I cannot and as you suggest have no desire to research personally in this specialised direction. I cannot learn about these things by reading a definition, they as you are aware are often words that need to be researched, studied and understood. This is not wrong nor negative, it is simply a personal expression.
You quote The stuff I'm dealing with is much more cosmically oriented i.e. is significant and relevant to all of Universe because i'm dealing with factors that are absolute or near to absolute ex FSConstant ergo they apply everywhere everywhen including specifically the essential aspects of Universe, space and time.
This to me sounds interesting, but "absolute or near to absolute ex FSConstant" here you lost me. This is something only you know about and so without an in-depth investigation I and perhaps most cannot relate too, have no idea what it means. I have not said anything negative of your works, I am simply admitting I don't know enough of the individual smaller components to see your bigger picture. Respect to you.
Wanye, If you have not worked out what I have been trying to say in my last few comments, I shall now make it obvious for you. Waynke - Wayne, Spears - Sears.
Belindi--I guess that Rr6's by-line "U"niverse > UniVerse > universe > I-verse < you-verse < we-verse < them-verse"
in easier English means that the integrated whole is greater than any component part.
Oh is that what that means? You know the ole saying, ask a 100 different people and you get a least 50 different answers.
I guess that Rr6 intends that this fact is not only a fact of engineering but also ethical and political.
I don't recall r6 stating the above as a fact, or that he even intend such. Where has all the truth seekers gone, long time passing,
Where have all the rational people gone, long time passing, where have all the logical people gone, a long long time ago.....
Where has all the common sense gone, long time passing...
When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn......
In many of my latest posts I have been expressing a visual relationship our ancient teachers globally have been trying to communicate. Many rather obvious messages are about the anatomical discovery of life on Earth and the recognition of the World body through the expression of life forms and evolution on Earth. This recognition of physical parts was considered an expression of the above or Celestial order. This traditionally was expressed as body parts combining to form the the full Celestial body. If I could use colours to emphasise what our ancient ones were trying to record, then if the zodiac belt of which we rotate through was simply divided into twelve colours then each month the equatorial connection would be exposed to each of these colours at a different time exposure. As the Earth revolves we move closer to each of the zodiac colours. As the Earth is tilted each region of the Earth has a maximum exposure and connection to the twelve zodiac regions.
What this means is that the Earth is exposed to the different regions of the Celestial energies at different proportions, so the correlated energy from the Celestial regions influences the connecting zones of the Earth. By studying the different zones of Earth you can therefore read the energy system for the corresponding zone of the Celestial region.
Here is another zone indicating this awareness and expression through animal anatomy. The dominating dynamic of the cow is the distinctive udder. The region of the Earth when you look at my picture or avatar picture of the World body, this region of the World looks like and is positioned where the udder anatomical characteristic is expressed.
What is the truth, what is logical, what is rational is perceived differently for all individuals. What one may think as wise may just be considered rude by others.
For me this thread about defining God is about looking at life and taking steps of discovery towards realising the physical relationship between us, our World the Celestial realm and the image of God. For me this is not as tradition suggests bound in a human form, but as the World body indicates a collection of anatomical energy systems.
Hi Wayne,
No apology required. Sometimes it takes many different ways of explaining before somebody realises what is being said. The most fascinating point created by this situation is that when you go back and read again the earlier messages, then the meaning was actually quite clear to begin with, although it appeared as a riddle for a while.
This is exactly what I have been asked to explain with regards to many traditional messages. For me the anatomical importance binds global messages together in many ways. If you can grasp the traditional body divided into twelve anatomical parts, then many messages become clear. If you realise the zodiac is about the twelve zones around the equator connecting to the twelve "above" Celestial zones then the messages become even clearer. When you connect the lungs of Leo to the World body marked by the sphinx and the Virgin Mary in the next zone connecting to the womb of Virgo, then the anatomical pictures and messages come to life.
When you give this interpretation an opportunity or accept for a moment the possibility of truth, then when you read many things you have already read again, you may then realise new messages that were intended from the beginning.
Here is another part of the anatomical puzzle. Where on the World anatomy do you think belly dancing is located and why ?
Barry Sears ---Hi Rr6,Please don't take my comments offensively, I find your mathematical presentations to be quite interesting and have nothing but respect for your view and efforts. You are perhaps finding it difficult for people to grasp your thoughts of which I admit too.
I missed this message previously. Again, I dont think you and most others have even scratched the surface of the concepts Ive presented.
r6--You quote The stuff I'm dealing with is much more cosmically oriented i.e. is significant and relevant to all of Universe because i'm dealing with factors that are absolute or near to absolute ex FSConstant ergo they apply everywhere everywhen including specifically the essential aspects of Universe, space and time.
This to me sounds interesting, but "absolute or near to absolute ex FSConstant" here you lost me. This is something only you know about and so without an in-depth investigation I and perhaps most cannot relate too, have no idea what it means. I have not said anything negative of your works, I am simply admitting I don't know enough of the individual smaller components to see your bigger picture. Respect to you.
Fine Structure Constant is not cosmic law/principle-- they are absolute ---, it is however a cosmic ratio, that may change over time, as some evidence appears to show, and that is why I used the word 'near not an exact absolute.
So all in all my comments to you stand as stated. My concerns are with more cosmic scenarios that go from macro-infinite space, to finite Universe space, ultra-micro space of Universe, metaphysical-1 mind/intelelct/concepts and how of these may relate specifically to the most complex creatures we know of Universe, humans.
If your or others have any rational, logical common sense that invalidates or adds to my givens please share. Ive always been open and availbel for such discussions. They are rare to find on the net.
The problem in speaking of, giving a name, to the void, is that whatever is used to represent the Void,God, whatever the interpretation, symbol, metaphor, astrological interpretation, theory, is an abomination which not only perverts the Reality of the Void, the symbols, metaphors, them selves become perverted.
The First Woman, Pandora, Eve, Diana, Medusa, in fact the word woman itself becomes a perversion.
The word, name, Woman used as a metaphor to represent the Void is also perverted.
Woman being treated, thought of as being an abomination, in the Mind of the Male Chauvinistic Pig.
Male chauvinistic Pigs the World over not believing that the Female is equal to the Male, is not as good as Man, as being inferior to Man.
Men having Machismo, Macho Men, the Fundamentalist Muslim, the Male Chauvinistic Pig, has a limited admiration, use for women.
Look at the plight of women caused by the use of the word, the name, woman to represent the Void.
In order to understand, describe, define, speak of Void, give a name to the thoughts that the Male Chauvinistic Pig, the Man Beast, Fundamental Man, has about Women.
Rr6 quotes If your or others have any rational, logical common sense that invalidates or adds to my givens please share. Ive always been open and availbel for such discussions.
This is nice and is what we are all here for. It applies to everybody and is the essences of being in a discussion group. I have found it particularly helpful for my research and helping reformulate and develop my presentations. It has helped me focus on aspects which people question and apply attention or more detail to various areas. It is most beneficial to gather words terms and expressions of which people relate to. In addition to this it is most valuable to gather alternative interpretations of words or ideas. These points and many more, assist in helping me explain my comprehension of life.
From the sea, no restrictions have stopped globalisation and movement to any spot on the planet. The connection of animal characteristics directly with the World anatomy is also an obvious pattern when considered. The larger whales when connected to the head of the World have distinctive head features. One of my favourites is the distinctive of all the large pointy noses, which is distributed but home at the nose position of the World anatomy, the sword fish.
...."The Dymaxion™ Air-Ocean World map, invented by R. Buckminster fuller, shows our planet without any visible distortion of relative shapes and sizes of the land and sea areas, and without any breaks in the continental contours. A favorite with Bucky fans, schools, students of all ages, and parents. Get one for each of the kids and one for you too"...............
...."Unfolding it in one way emphasizes the near-contiguous landmass featured above. Unfolding it another, however, gives you an icosahedral net with a global ocean surrounded by land. "....
..."The Dymaxion™ Air-Ocean World map, invented by R. Buckminster fuller, shows our planet without any visible distortion of relative shapes and sizes of the land and sea areas, and without any breaks in the continental contours. A favorite with Bucky fans, schools, students of all ages, and parents. Get one for each of the kids and one for you too"...............
...."Unfolding it in one way emphasizes the near-contiguous landmass featured above. Unfolding it another, however, gives you an icosahedral net with a global ocean surrounded by land. "....
I think my favourite and most accurate map of the World would be the sphere or simple globe. There are some rather spectacular versions, some that spring to mind are the day night versions where the globe turns into a light at night and the constellations are lit up with small pin hole lights. Another is a large steel structure in the middle of a round about, a steel open grid structure with the land masses attached, standing about 7m diameter.
One of the most unfortunate points about the flat two dimensional pictures of the globe is the lack of ability to showcase Antarctica, the tail to the World. The flat pictures you have referred to here do incorporate the tail as a full structure which is lovely but the other main dilemma with World maps is the incorrect capturing of the World body from head to tail. Often you will see maps with the World body split in half but I guess this is just lack of knowledge, not knowing traditional messages and contemporary mapping. My favourite World picture is this photo of the leadlight World body, with a price label of $12, 000.
The tail of the World consists of a unique animal, the penguin. A bird more like a fish, a bird with it's base enhanced as a direct connection to the base of the World. All of the animals I have shown here and all of the ancient messages are a finer anatomical breakdowns. You can look at any species and see how it changes as it gets closer to the head or tail. The Egyptians show this using the cat, think about the bear, a dog...
So here the penguin, a bird, residing at the tail of the World, is emphasised anatomically at this point.
I am not saying that the Universe or a singularity "IS' God.
I am saying that man has a sense of Reality that is not readily apparent, is not measurable as to location and Momentum in Space-Time, has never being readily apparent, measurable as to location and momentum in
Space-Time; the latest name being "Nothingness".
Man must give a name to “whatever”, in order to speak of it, understand it, comprehend, in order for man to believe that he and she, has knowledge of what it is or is not.
Some use the idea of positive and negative to speak of what is or is not, however being interested in what this something is, I choose not to use the negative, there being to many “is not” in trying to understand what is.
The are far fewer positives that give definition to this unknown Reality.
This Unknown Reality, being given, over a period of Time, being given the name God or the name of any number of Gods, the Nothingness having many names.
To speak of, give a name to this Reality, Nothingness, the name, the identity, metaphor, Astrological, Religious, symbol in order to speak of this nothingness, to include Nothingness itself being an abomination; Damn almost forgot to include the Void; our concept of the Void being an abomination, confused.
Singularity; the God Particle, the Higgs Particles, the number of Infinitely Finite Fully Random Indivisible Singularities having no relative numerical value.
Prime numbers, the first prime number being the number "two.”
The motion of a Singularity being meaningless.
This is where Singularity becomes confused, Singularity having a dual quality, 0\1.
The Singularity of Zero-0 is meaningless because it is motionless, has no displacement, no angular momentum, no velocity of speed and direction, is not readily apparent and therefore it is as if its existence or non-existence is Uncertain; the number Two being prime, the first number that can proven to exist, existing in part as part of series, two following one and precedes Three.
The Singularity of Zero-0 is converted into a singularity of One-1 due to a change in the nature of its motion.
A singularity of Zero-0 being transfigured, converted, reborn, being displaced, instantaneously develops velocity of speed and direction to its Angular momentum.
A Random Singularity of Zero-0 having been displaced, becomes the first Singularity of Zero-0 to have relative, a numerical value of One-1 by becoming the First in a Series, existing as the beginning of a process such as the Evolutionary Process, by becoming the beginning of a continuum such as Space-Time.
It is this first Singularity to have relative, a numerical value of One-1 that is given the name, Reality of First Cause.
This first Singularity to have relative, numerical value of One-1 became the Single direct cause of a system of Chaos, as in the Butterfly effect, that has made manifest Reality of the Heavens and the Earth, the Universe, the Reality of Everything that exists in the material sense of the word.
The Reality of First Cause itself being uncaused, being a creation, born of Random Singularity of Zero-0, having energy but no mass was an Affect.
The Nothingness of the Ether existing as the Omniscience of the Transcendental, Metaphysical, Fully Random Quantum State of Singularity filled with an untold quantity, number, of omnipresent Infinitely Finite Indivisible Singularities, having no mass, having no relative, numerical value, having numerical value of Zero-0.
It is this Nothingness, the Omniscience of this Transcendental, Metaphysical, Fully Random Quantum State of Singularity, filled with an omnipresent quantity of Mass-less Singularities having no Relative, Numerical Value, having a numerical value of Zero-0, filled with Energy, which clumping together as a Mass being born to be the Heavens and the Earth, the Universe, the Reality of Everything that exists in the material sense of the word.
The change in the nature of the motion, the displacement of a Random Singularity of Zero-0, motionless motion, motion having no angular momentum, no velocity of speed and direction, converting the meaningless motion of a Singularity of Zero-0 into the velocity of speed and direction of the angular momentum of the First Random Singularity of Zero-0 to transfigured, converted, to be reborn a Singularity have relative, a numerical value of One-1; the motion of a singularity of Zero-0 being an insignificant innate inner motion, existing as a vibration, an oscillation, the Singularity of Zero-0 making a Humming Sound, OHM!
Oh, yes, I almost, the Transcendental Fully Random Quantum State of Singularity, the Void in the Beginning, at the Zero-0 Hour, at the Event Horizon existed as the Transcendental Metaphysical Full Random Quantum State of Singularity.
The equation, 0\1, representing The Theory of Everything, the Beginning and there after.
Platos stepchild wrote:I hope this question isn't too off-topic; but, I'd like to ask it, anyway: when does religious belief become a mental illness?
Refers to criteria for any clinical diagnosis. Religious belief is a mental illness when the belief tends to shorten the person's life or cause great pain to the individual. Social illness has no such established criteria. Me, I'd apply the medical criteria to social ills so that any regime which imposes deathly or painful conditions upon its subjects is a diseased regime.
-- Updated December 15th, 2016, 5:16 am to add the following --
Belindi wrote:
Platos stepchild wrote:I hope this question isn't too off-topic; but, I'd like to ask it, anyway: when does religious belief become a mental illness?
Refers to criteria for any clinical diagnosis. Religious belief is a mental illness when the belief tends to shorten the person's life or cause great pain to the individual. Social illness has no such established criteria. Me, I'd apply the medical criteria to social ills so that any regime which imposes deathly or painful conditions upon its subjects is a diseased regime.
When I say "regime" I include authorities such as law-makers both religious and secular, and also some family member who might use their power to enforce deathly or painful conditions upon their relations.
Religion is incredibly diverse and globally distributed and regionalised. Messages are about so many different things. I have discussed the idea that religious material is often a way of trying to explain things that science has not explained yet. Many ideas become the focus of trying to understand and comprehend, through further research and study. So the expression religious belief becoming an illness would only really be about an individual and there imbalance effecting their health as an illness. As far as an imbalanced obsession, I guess really they are just words and the point would be how do words alter your perception of life, regardless of what category you put the words. I would say general life style would be more influential on illness, the food we eat the amount of exercise, how healthy we keep our environment.
This is probably going to sound somewhat strange but I must lay this down in writing, as it will become more valuable as time progresses. As I have expressed in a few of the threads of which I participate, my understanding of the theory of "as above, so below" can be understood with a physical recognition. The evolutionary process of life on Earth can be synchronised with the evolutionary process of the life-cycle of the planets. The same evolved, creative energies are exerted from our Galactic structure in the form of a basic pattern from the head to tail. I have expressed how I identify with the Celestial formation as a physical projection of the World formation in the form of a complete spherical, spiralling, helical formation, from the Northern Polaris to the Southern Polaris. The simple identification of the Celestial structure is identifiable as a form like connecting the dots or stars in a three dimensional form.
When realising this physical Celestial structure it is easier to recognise the process of evolution and the influence it has on the structure of the World itself. As mater becomes more condensed or the materialistic structures becomes magnified we then are presented with the more expressive manifestations of this larger energy systems in the smaller forms as life on Earth. So far I have explained and tried to point out this energy system and how it repeats in the basic pattern from head to tail, with the key physical form as a stepping stone, to be the World body or formation itself from head to tail.
For this thread specifically I have tried to show how life on Earth is directly correlated to the structural form of the Earth itself. This projects to the Celestial structure and magnifies to the extreme structure as a universal principle and template to life, defining a physical, cosmological structure, to the universal form, defining God. I wish to lay down in words a subtle mechanisms related to the transmigration of life on a planetary cycle for a record on this philosophical site.
The energy system from our Celestial surroundings is influenced by the position of the sun. If you consider the basic astrological principles here, that the energy radiating from our Celestial surrounding is altered by the positions of our surrounding astronomical bodies, meaning if energy flows from our Celestial surroundings to the Earth, then if the sun is between us, as daytime, then the flow of energy is blocked by the sun, but the flow on the opposite side of the World at the same time, is open to these energies. Astrological theories also consider the altering of this energy flow due to the position of the moon and the planets.
If comprehending this, the point I wish to make is based on the evolutionary movement of the planets and transmigration of life to the next planet. To understand the mechanics of this the New Perspective website explains this process. If you consider the movement and planetary life-cycle, as a planet moves through the Goldilocks zone and passes through this zone, expressing life, as an expression of the Celestial energies, As the planet gets closer to the sun, the influence of these energies radiating from our Celestial surroundings, becomes less influential because as we approach the sun, the radiant energy from the sun, prevents the flow of Celestial energies.
This mechanical process explains the altering ability and level for us to receive this subtle energy.
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...."The Dymaxion™ Air-Ocean World map, invented by R. Buckminster fuller, shows our planet without any visible distortion of relative shapes and sizes of the land and sea areas, and without any breaks in the continental contours. A favorite with Bucky fans, schools, students of all ages, and parents. Get one for each of the kids and one for you too"...............
...."Unfolding it in one way emphasizes the near-contiguous landmass featured above. Unfolding it another, however, gives you an icosahedral net with a global ocean surrounded by land. "....
I checked to see where the alledged cosmic 432 hz falls on my inside-outed numerical, sine-wave pattern.
It falls on 2nd line of frequency dip between my top line/level prime numbers 431 and 433. See bottom of this page.
If we begin with 5 - 7 as the first place of frequency dip from top line then 432 is the 72nd dip , however if begin with #0 then 432 is the 73rd dip/frequency from top line.
We would double the 72nd or 73rd if we include the dip/frequency from bottom line so 144( that is Fibonacci number ) or 146.
Beginning with #1 there are 84 prime numbers before #432. 83 prime numbers prior if we begin with prime #2. 82 if we begin with prime #3.
However, after #1 the next prime number on my four level/line pattern is #5. So that is 81 prime numbers, however #1 is on my top line/level.
So 84, 83, 82 or 81 prime numbers before the alledged cosmic 432 hz.
3, 6, 9, the goose drank wine, the monkey chewed tobacco on the street car line, the line broke, the monkey got choked, and they all went to heaven in a little row boat....author unknown
