Why did 'god' create so many idiots?

[Elder]

This a serious questions to true believers.

We all have seen them.

They are all over.

In government, in military, in business, in the citizenry at large and even on forums.

Was this part of his "intelligent design"?

If you can explain this to me, in a way that makes sense, I might be tempted to believe myself!

[Ruskin]

Idiots create themselves all God did was to create and provide the arena of the universe into which the idiocy can take place.

[Elder]

Idiots create themselves all God did was to create and provide the arena of the universe into which the idiocy can take place.

And lots of idiots line up, enthusiastically, to take advantage of the god-given opportunity.

Makes sense -- let's not waste anything!

[Ruskin]

And lots of idiots line up, enthusiastically, to take advantage of the god-given opportunity.

You can see idiocy as sin if it's something that has an adverse effect on anyone at all. Sin represents human failings and flaws not necessarily the same thing as evil it can just mean idiocy. Now that I have explained to you in a way that makes sense...

[Elder]

To answer my own question:

Why did 'god' create so many idiots?

Answer: just to aggravate me.

However, I decided to pull a fast one on the almighty.

With both Alias and Jklint gone, it is no fun any more.

[Logic_ill]

Where did they go?

[Ruskin]

To answer my own question:

Why did 'god' create so many idiots?

Answer: just to aggravate me.

However, I decided to pull a fast one of the almighty.

With both Alias and Jklint gone, it is no fun any more.

But you're rather aggravating yourself the way you keep asking daft stupid questions and the awful arguments and attitude you have in general where you take nothing seriously if it isn't your own baseless opinion.


"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

-- Updated July 14th, 2015, 4:51 pm to add the following --

And also

"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

A nice bit of King James 17th century English there.

[Harbal]

To answer my own question:

Why did 'god' create so many idiots?

As you don't believe in God it is a rather pointless question. Continually criticising a God you don't even believe exists doesn't seem like a particularly intelligent activity.

[Belinda]

Idiots create themselves all God did was to create and provide the arena of the universe into which the idiocy can take place.

But in that case God should have stopped at least the worst excesses of the idiots.

The enormity of some idiocies which cause huge pain and suffering might be seen as evidence of man's progress back to the goodness of God, aided by revelations from God. However the official revelations from God, the life of Jesus Christ and the holy Koran, have proved themselves to be inadequate to actually remove evil, except in small ways when good men have faced danger by themselves removing as much of the evil as they can.

I say "good men". Good men are not all Christians or Muslims although some of them are.

[3uGH7D4MLj]

To answer my own question:

Why did 'god' create so many idiots?

As you don't believe in God it is a rather pointless question. Continually criticising a God you don't even believe exists doesn't seem like a particularly intelligent activity.

I agree. It's a troll topic that reflects back on itself.

[Elder]

No, it is a legitimate religious topic, aimed at believers.

There is no denying that, on the lower end of the IQ Bell curve, there are a lot of idiots and we see them everywhere.

It is common experience.

According to Christian dogma, 'god' created the universe and 'he' is omniscient, knowing all the future consequences of 'his' creation.

Therefore 'he' could not help knowing about the Bell curve and knowing how many millions of 'his' children will fall into this low IQ ('idiot') category.

So why did 'he' allow that to happen?

I would like intelligent believers to explain this to me, if they can.

I hope I made the purpose of this thread clear.

If anyone takes offense, that is unfortunate, but I can not help it. It was not meant in an offensive way.

Idiots create themselves all God did was to create and provide the arena of the universe into which the idiocy can take place.

But in that case God should have stopped at least the worst excesses of the idiots.

That's exactly my point.

Why didn't 'he'?

[Belinda]

Elder wrote:

But in that case God should have stopped at least the worst excesses of the idiots.


That's exactly my point.

Why didn't 'he'?

Your question, Elder, reveals the inadequacy of the notion of the once and for all creation. The newer version of God i.e. God as a work in progress does not feel inadequate because that God which is a work in progress depends upon human energies in order to be manifested. In other words the Platonic form of The Good is not ontic existence but how human beings understand and act The Good.

[Elder]

Your question, Elder, reveals the inadequacy of the notion of the once and for all creation. The newer version of God i.e. God as a work in progress

Belinda, I have serious problems even with the first part of your sentence that I quoted.

1. How do we know that there was an act of creation?
2. What kind of 'god' is the one that is a "work in progress"?

Whose work?

The theologians' who are busy making it up?

Does it mean that 'god' is not omniscient? omnipotent? Not having a clear idea of where 'he' was coming from and where 'he' was going?

What are we to this 'god'? Some kind of pets? He will figure out in the fullness time whether to keep us or to dump us at some humane society?

Why do we need to imagine this 'god'?

What good is it to us?

How does it help us survive our self destructive obsessions?

Wouldn't we be better off following our long established scientific method that has worked century after century, keeping us not only alive but prospering -- in spite of all the backward pulling side-effects of religion: such as religious wars, ethnic cleansing, overpopulation, guilt-ridden citizenry, massive inequality in wealth between the clergy and the citizenry (have you seen pictures of the treasure troves of the Vatican yet?)

What has 'god' ever done for me?

This post is typed on a science-given, and NOT a god-given computer.

Let me know what 'god' has ever done that did not end up in human misery, pain and suffering (never mind what the animals think of 'him').

And, to get back to the point of this thread: why did 'god' screw up so badly with 'his' creation that resulted in the millions of 'idiots' on the low end of the IQ Bell curve?

Tell me one single thing that I could not accomplish without this hypothetical 'god'!

Tell me one single thing that I need it for?

And, if you are thinking of the cookie-cutter theist answer that I needed 'god' for being alive, I think my parents would have been quite offended by that. And, if you are tempted to say that 'god' was needed to start life on this planet, that resulted in me at this end of the line, then I would ask you again: how do you know that it wasn't an alien race of superhuman powers, billions of years ago, that seeded this planet with the first strand of DNA that resulted in all of us?

I think they would be offended too, if they were denied the credit, it given to an imaginary friend in the sky.

And, if you think that humanity needs the myth of a 'god' to trick it into not cutting its own throat (I am trying to anticipate your arguments here) then I would say that doing the right thing for the wrong reasons can backfire, because it is not based on reality but on an illusion, and illusions are like quick-sand -- it can quickly pull you under and bury you under tons of irrationality.

[A_Seagull]

Why did 'god' create so many idiots?

Presumably because he made them in his own image.

[Sy Borg]

Equal rights, please, A_. "Presumably because he or she made them in his or her own image". We can be just as silly as men, eg. new age type anti-vaccine and anti-GMO campaign leaders, Bronwyn Bishop and "Choppergate" et al.

Wouldn't it be strange if our ancestors climbed down from the trees (given that our closest relatives, the chimps, can be serious @$$holes) and immediately and uniformly became the intelligent, civilised pillows of society of this forum? Much of the behaviour of our human ancestors too would be considered abominable by today's standards.

Idiocy will gradually be weeded out by natural selection, a fact observed by whomever named the Darwin Awards.