Proof of God

Ranvier · Post by **Ranvier** » March 8th, 2017, 7:34 pm

We can both read the Bile a thousand times more and the fact will not change that I will not agree with "God is not against war". Also, I'm quite certain that neither of us can comprehend "Who" God is, even we if both could stand in front of the God together at this very moment.

MindfulMystic · Post by **MindfulMystic** » March 24th, 2017, 1:11 am

God hasn't even proved he's real, but you're real proof-he has nothing to prove

Post by **LuckyR** » April 7th, 2017, 3:32 pm

Here's the conundrum on this thread: if by "god" you mean a god like the Roman gods, then sure those gods could (and commonly did) interact directly with humans and were thus "proved" in the sense that folks hobnobbed with them routinely. OTOH, if you are talking about a Modern Western omnipotent God, then there is no need for such a being to be provable at all and so trying to do so is likely a waste of time. This situation would be functionally indistinguishable from there being not a god at all, thus why the Modern religious and atheists observe similar universes.

Eaglerising · Post by **Eaglerising** » May 20th, 2017, 4:19 am

One thing I have noticed about the discussions about whether God exists or not is that neither side has considered the possibility that they are both are based upon belief and are wrong! What if what is commonly called “God” is an illusion created by thought? What if the primal source of everything is an unsolvable mystery that cannot be described, conceptualized, or imagined. Can we really imagine or conceptualize anything that has no beginning, always existed? The same applies to “infinity.”

Post by **LuckyR** » May 24th, 2017, 11:51 pm

Eaglerising wrote:One thing I have noticed about the discussions about whether God exists or not is that neither side has considered the possibility that they are both are based upon belief and are wrong! What if what is commonly called “God” is an illusion created by thought? What if the primal source of everything is an unsolvable mystery that cannot be described, conceptualized, or imagined. Can we really imagine or conceptualize anything that has no beginning, always existed? The same applies to “infinity.”

Exactly my point above. Modern, omnipotent gods are unprovable and why this thread is kind of asking the wrong question, yet fretting over the poor quality of the answers.

Eaglerising · Post by **Eaglerising** » May 25th, 2017, 3:32 am

Thank you Luckyfit for your input.

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Sorry for misspelling your handle, LuckyR. My dyslexia caused me to see it wrongly.

Webplodder · Post by **Webplodder** » May 26th, 2017, 4:37 am

You may never be able to scientifically prove the existence of God but you will never completely eliminate the concept of a deity because no matter how technologically advanced a culture becomes there will always remain deeply mysterious questions that cannot be answered.

Eaglerising · Post by **Eaglerising** » May 26th, 2017, 4:46 am

A very good point Webplodder. As in a 3-legged chair, three is the smallest division of power. Even the power of the US government is divided into 3 branches.

Sacrontine · Post by **Sacrontine** » May 26th, 2017, 5:39 am

I can't see to point in looking for proof of God. Either he wants to be found or he doesn't. If he wanted to be found, he'd just make himself known, so there'd be no need for proof. But it's obvious he doesn't want to be found, and if that's the case we'll never find him no matter what, since he is omnipotent and has perfect hiding skills.

Webplodder · Post by **Webplodder** » May 26th, 2017, 5:46 am

Eaglerising wrote:A very good point Webplodder. As in a 3-legged chair, three is the smallest division of power. Even the power of the US government is divided into 3 branches.

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Sacrontine wrote:I can't see to point in looking for proof of God. Either he wants to be found or he doesn't. If he wanted to be found, he'd just make himself known, so there'd be no need for proof. But it's obvious he doesn't want to be found, and if that's the case we'll never find him no matter what, since he is omnipotent and has perfect hiding skills.

I've had this discussion before and my point is if God decided to make himself apparent would we really accept it? Why? Because there would always be "experts" who would insist it would have to be a technologically more advanced civilization trying to communicate with us and no matter how superior such a culture would be to us, would not actually be God.

Therefore, God would not wish to make himself known to us in terms of scientifically 'testable' means but rely entirely on the concept of God through faith. In past times most things were attributed to deities so the question did not arise but nowadays, in our materialist world, people demand materialistic proof.

Eaglerising · Post by **Eaglerising** » May 26th, 2017, 6:00 am

Sacrontiine –

I can't see to point in looking for proof of God. Either he wants to be found or he doesn't. If he wanted to be found, he'd just make himself known, so there'd be no need for proof. But it's obvious he doesn't want to be found, and if that's the case we'll never find him no matter what, since he is omnipotent and has perfect hiding skills.

Your argument is illogical and contradictory. The language used refers to God as being human. If God is human, it would have physical form. And if it has form it would be seen.
Your argument might even contradict your perception of God.

Sacrontine · Post by **Sacrontine** » May 26th, 2017, 9:11 am

Eaglerising wrote:Your argument is illogical and contradictory. The language used refers to God as being human. If God is human, it would have physical form. And if it has form it would be seen.
Your argument might even contradict your perception of God.

Doesn't matter what "it" is, fact is that it could make us believe if it wants, or keep us in the dark if wants. Obviously it's chosen the latter.

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Webplodder wrote:I've had this discussion before and my point is if God decided to make himself apparent would we really accept it? Why? Because there would always be "experts" who would insist it would have to be a technologically more advanced civilization trying to communicate with us and no matter how superior such a culture would be to us, would not actually be God.

Therefore, God would not wish to make himself known to us in terms of scientifically 'testable' means but rely entirely on the concept of God through faith. In past times most things were attributed to deities so the question did not arise but nowadays, in our materialist world, people demand materialistic proof.

Why not just use direct revelation? And not just one or two "prophets" this time, just give everyone a divine revelation, something that is stronger and more real what we normally perceive.

Eaglerising · Post by **Eaglerising** » May 26th, 2017, 9:45 am

Sacrontine – If is very apparent that you want life to conform to your perception of it rather than you adjusting so that you are in harmony with it.

Sacrontine · Post by **Sacrontine** » May 26th, 2017, 9:52 am

Eaglerising wrote:Sacrontine – If is very apparent that you want life to conform to your perception of it rather than you adjusting so that you are in harmony with it.

How is it apparent? What adjustment do I need to make? This is a very vague retort.