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Exactly my point above. Modern, omnipotent gods are unprovable and why this thread is kind of asking the wrong question, yet fretting over the poor quality of the answers.Eaglerising wrote:One thing I have noticed about the discussions about whether God exists or not is that neither side has considered the possibility that they are both are based upon belief and are wrong! What if what is commonly called “God” is an illusion created by thought? What if the primal source of everything is an unsolvable mystery that cannot be described, conceptualized, or imagined. Can we really imagine or conceptualize anything that has no beginning, always existed? The same applies to “infinity.”
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Sorry for misspelling your handle, LuckyR. My dyslexia caused me to see it wrongly.
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Eaglerising wrote:A very good point Webplodder. As in a 3-legged chair, three is the smallest division of power. Even the power of the US government is divided into 3 branches.
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I've had this discussion before and my point is if God decided to make himself apparent would we really accept it? Why? Because there would always be "experts" who would insist it would have to be a technologically more advanced civilization trying to communicate with us and no matter how superior such a culture would be to us, would not actually be God.Sacrontine wrote:I can't see to point in looking for proof of God. Either he wants to be found or he doesn't. If he wanted to be found, he'd just make himself known, so there'd be no need for proof. But it's obvious he doesn't want to be found, and if that's the case we'll never find him no matter what, since he is omnipotent and has perfect hiding skills.
Therefore, God would not wish to make himself known to us in terms of scientifically 'testable' means but rely entirely on the concept of God through faith. In past times most things were attributed to deities so the question did not arise but nowadays, in our materialist world, people demand materialistic proof.
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Your argument is illogical and contradictory. The language used refers to God as being human. If God is human, it would have physical form. And if it has form it would be seen.I can't see to point in looking for proof of God. Either he wants to be found or he doesn't. If he wanted to be found, he'd just make himself known, so there'd be no need for proof. But it's obvious he doesn't want to be found, and if that's the case we'll never find him no matter what, since he is omnipotent and has perfect hiding skills.
Your argument might even contradict your perception of God.
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Doesn't matter what "it" is, fact is that it could make us believe if it wants, or keep us in the dark if wants. Obviously it's chosen the latter.Eaglerising wrote:Your argument is illogical and contradictory. The language used refers to God as being human. If God is human, it would have physical form. And if it has form it would be seen.
Your argument might even contradict your perception of God.
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Why not just use direct revelation? And not just one or two "prophets" this time, just give everyone a divine revelation, something that is stronger and more real what we normally perceive.Webplodder wrote:I've had this discussion before and my point is if God decided to make himself apparent would we really accept it? Why? Because there would always be "experts" who would insist it would have to be a technologically more advanced civilization trying to communicate with us and no matter how superior such a culture would be to us, would not actually be God.
Therefore, God would not wish to make himself known to us in terms of scientifically 'testable' means but rely entirely on the concept of God through faith. In past times most things were attributed to deities so the question did not arise but nowadays, in our materialist world, people demand materialistic proof.
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How is it apparent? What adjustment do I need to make? This is a very vague retort.Eaglerising wrote:Sacrontine – If is very apparent that you want life to conform to your perception of it rather than you adjusting so that you are in harmony with it.
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It is revealed by what you say. You are going to have trouble with it if you cannot see that you make illogical statements and contract yourself.How is it apparent? What adjustment do I need to make? This is a very vague retort.
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