jerlands wrote: ↑March 8th, 2018, 10:40 pm
Spectrum wrote: ↑March 8th, 2018, 9:29 pm
My main argument is NOT "God doesn't exist because man is incapable of expressing Gods existence?"
My main points are;
1. DNA wise all humans has the potential for an existential crisis where it is very active subliminally in the majority.
I don't understand what you're saying here so would you elaborate.
DNA wise all humans are mortal.
DNA wise all humans will and are aware of their mortality.
Since ALL humans do not want to die
prematurely, the awareness of one's inevitable mortality created a cognitive dissonance which generate an existential crisis at the subliminal level -an internal psychological turmoil.
This is why the critical element within theism and religion is about the after-life and that is what your Egyptian pyramids are centered on.
Spectrum wrote: ↑March 8th, 2018, 9:29 pm
2. To deal with the above internal psychological turmoil, the majority idealized [conjure] and reified the idea of God.
Well, this is your speculation. The question is whether or not man was ever truly in the presence of God.
How can you insist so positively of God when you have not even prove it exists as real.
On the other hand, what I argued is so true.
It is a fact theists believed in a God that is idealized and reified - they put such ideas as a basis for a religion and SOME kill those who criticize their illusory God. Just imagine that, millions of innocent people are killed by theists who believed in something illusory-as-real.
If you are a theist, you are indirectly complicit to such terrible evils and violence.
God has not be proven to been real within an empirical-rational reality, so it has to be idealized and reified. How else?
So it is you who is speculating!
Spectrum wrote: ↑March 8th, 2018, 9:29 pm
3. But the idea of God MUST be absolutely perfect.
So.. define form me 'granite' so that I know it.
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Cannot understand what this is about?
Spectrum wrote: ↑March 8th, 2018, 9:29 pm
4. Logically and practically, absolute perfection is impossible to be real within an empirical-rational reality.[/list]
Back to this conclusion which I see as being ill-logical without realization that empirical is through observation and rational impies in some form you can relate to.
To make know certain concepts is easier to some than others because there may be common ground, a relation that is pre-existing.
To make new connections isn't always easy.
I'm not arguing an empirical-rational reality doesn't exist nor that reality shouldn't include everything it just really is a subjective matter of perspective. e.g., My perspective of Man is that man is the crown of creation and that in man lay all the functions and expressions of nature. You don't have that perspective but I think that if you look you will see that things have to make sense to you for you to accept them.
[/quote]Whatever perspective you hold, you must justify it.
I cannot grasp your point here.
Spectrum wrote: ↑March 8th, 2018, 9:29 pm
So my approach is not "God doesn't exist because man is incapable of expressing Gods existence?"
Unfortunately for you, the concept of "harmony" is based on the Laws of Nature, the theories of Physics and other Sciences which are all interdependent with humans, thus conditional.
Why you are defending the indefensible is due to 1 & 2 above.
That which exists in expressed by man in attempts to relate to it. Because we express some notion does not conclude we invent that notion but simply that it is something we touch upon.
Note your basis of reality is Philosophical Realism;
Realism (in philosophy) about a given object is the view that this object exists in reality independently of our conceptual scheme. In philosophical terms, these objects are ontologically independent of someone's conceptual scheme, perceptions, linguistic practices, beliefs, etc.
My basis is Philosophical Anti-Realism where reality is interdependent with humans. Therefore there is no such thing as anything or a God that is absolutely independent of humans.
Note this thread I raised;
You Are a Co-Creator of Reality.