Does genesis describe evolution?

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Does genesis describe evolution?

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Creationists claim that the world is created in seven days, which is very unlikely and scientists claim that most of the bible is nonsense. Yet, can't it be the case that evolution is described in the bible? I would like to ask you to read this part from an article in the Daily Mail:
In the Book of Genesis, God first and most famously creates heaven and earth, but 'without form', and commands: 'Let there be light.' A perfect description of the Big Bang, that founding moment of our universe some 13 billion years ago, an unimaginable explosion of pure energy and matter 'without form' out of nothing - the primordial Biblical 'void'.

He then creates the dry land out of the waters, but it is the water that comes first. As Parker points out, scientists today understand very similarly that water is indeed crucial for life.

When 'astrobiologists' look into space for signs of life on other planets, the first thing they look for is the possible presence of water.

On the third day, we are told: 'God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."'

Now factually speaking, grass didn't evolve until much later. In the Triassic and Jurassic epochs, the dinosaurs knew only plants such as giant conifers and tree ferns. But since grass did not in fact evolve until much later, a sternly literal-minded scientist would declare the Bible wrong, and consign it to the nearest wheelie bin.

But wait a minute, says Parker. If you take 'grass, herb and tree' to mean photosynthesising life in general, then this is, once again, spot on.

The very life forms on earth were single-celled bacteria, but the first truly viable bacteria were the 'cyanobacteria' - those that had learned to photosynthesise.

As a result, they began to expire oxygen, creating an atmosphere that could go on to support more and more life. They were the key to life on earth.

Naturally, says Parker, 'the ancient Israelites would have been oblivious to any single-celled life form, let alone cyanobacteria', but 'grass' as a loose description of life forms that photosynthesise?
Sistine Chapel

Breathtaking: The enigma that the order of Creation as described in the Book of Genesis, and so powerfully depicted in the Sistine Chapel has been precisely, eerily confirmed by modern evolutionary science

On the fourth day, Genesis famously becomes confusing. On the first day, remember, God has already created light, and made Day and Night. But it isn't until day four that he makes the lights in heaven, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser the night.

Hang on - so he made 'Day' three days before he made the Sun? Houston, I think we have a problem.

Yet the writers of Genesis were just as well aware as us, surely, that the sunrise causes the day. You don't need a degree in astronomy to work that one out. What on earth did they mean?

Here, The Genesis Enigma comes up with a stunningly ingenious answer. For Parker argues that day four refers to the evolution of vision.

Until the first creatures on earth evolved eyes, in a sense, the sun and moon didn't exist. There was no creature on earth to see them, nor the light they cast.

When Genesis says: 'Let there be lights... To divide the day from the night,' it is talking about eyes.

'The very first eye on earth effectively turned on the lights for animal behaviour,' writes Professor Parker, 'and consequently for further rapid evolution.'

Almost overnight, life suddenly grew vastly more complex. Predators were able to hunt far more efficiently, and so prey had to evolve fast too - or get eaten.

The moment that there were 'lights', or eyes, then life exploded into all its infinite variety.

And yet again, that's what Genesis says happened, and in the correct environment too. In the sea.

For on the very next day of Creation, the fifth day: 'God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life."'

That is exactly what happened. Life that had hitherto been lived in the dark, by simple, slow-moving, worm-like creatures, erupted into dazzling diversity. We know all about it from the world famous Burgess Shale fossils
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Roel wrote: "Creationists claim that the world is created in seven days, which is very unlikely"

2 Peter 3:8 says that a day is as a thousand years to the Lord, translates to 7 days being 7,000 years. (not a quote)
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My impression has long been that the creation passage in Genesis was a brilliant intuitive insight by an ancient writer that attempts to describe the dynamics of evolution in allegorical form. There was almost no scientific knowledge or terminology at the time so allegory was the main analytical tool available.
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Greta wrote:My impression has long been that the creation passage in Genesis was a brilliant intuitive insight by an ancient writer that attempts to describe the dynamics of evolution in allegorical form. .
I's just a shame it took so long for someone like Darwin to come along and work out what he meant.
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I think finding similarities between ancient creation myths and modern discoveries about the formation of the Earth, and life on Earth, is a bit like finding things in your horoscope that appear to match your real life. Confirmation bias mixed with sufficient vagueness. If the Genesis story had been written differently, so long as it contained some sort of description of the Earth and its life being formed, then it would still have been possible to retrospectively fit parts of it to what has been discovered to be true and thereby see it as prophetic.
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Steve3007 wrote:I think finding similarities between ancient creation myths and modern discoveries about the formation of the Earth, and life on Earth, is a bit like finding things in your horoscope that appear to match your real life. Confirmation bias mixed with sufficient vagueness. If the Genesis story had been written differently, so long as it contained some sort of description of the Earth and its life being formed, then it would still have been possible to retrospectively fit parts of it to what has been discovered to be true and thereby see it as prophetic.
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My opinion, for what it is worth, is that it doesnt so much refer to evolution, but certainly seems to relate to nascent consciousness and consciousness in general.

I think it is pretty obvious that anything a human writes divulges something about human nature.

My theory is thay all religion originated from an amalgam of shamanic techniques used for different personal/social reasons. Over time oral tradition became less prevalent with the induction of writing into religious societies and this can be seen in various mnemonic techniques used in religions ... actually I'll write out this theory in another thread one day.

I think I've nailed down what "religion" means and where it came from why it exists and how its changed due to our social changes and the onset of written languages.
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Misty wrote:
Roel wrote: "Creationists claim that the world is created in seven days, which is very unlikely"
(Nested quote removed.)

2 Peter 3:8 says that a day is as a thousand years to the Lord, translates to 7 days being 7,000 years. (not a quote)

This is merely a non sequitur. Say that its like 1000 years doesn't mean it is a thousand years. I think the verse is merely showing time as humans perceive it is different as God does. If God is eternal essentially time is meaningless and assuming they were quantifying it as1 year IS 1000 years is simply misleading. And another point is humans use a kind of circular logic and reasoning in the dating methods we have. Radiometric dating assumes things that aren't proven. They didn't base it on an exact baseline either. They basically walked into a room, saw a candle burning then assumed it melted the candle wax consistently which isn't an actual observation its just assuming all the wax is the same and the flame has always been the same temperature etc.... Carbon 14, 13 dating is only for recent archaeology. But I personally don't care how old anyone claims the Earth or universe is, I'm not married to any assertions in that regard.
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