Evil's War against Religions

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Re: Evil's War against Religions

Post by Belindi » April 18th, 2017, 5:28 am

Lark_Truth seems to be unaware of the fact that religion is one of the greatest evils know to man. Moreover religion, unlike earthquakes, is self inflicted by men upon men.

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Re: Evil's War against Religions

Post by -0+ » April 18th, 2017, 7:47 am

Belindi wrote:Lark_Truth seems to be unaware of the fact that religion is one of the greatest evils know to man.
If evil can not be objectively measured, then evil may be one of the greatest fantasies that people entertain. What can be factual with regards to evil?

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Re: Evil's War against Religions

Post by Lark_Truth » April 18th, 2017, 9:18 am

Some very good points, -0+.
Question: what sources of suffering are you referring to?
Addictive substances?
Heartbreak?
Loss?
Stress?
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Re: Evil's War against Religions

Post by Belindi » April 18th, 2017, 11:07 am

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If evil can not be objectively measured, then evil may be one of the greatest fantasies that people entertain. What can be factual with regards to evil?
Suffering, unendurable pain and loss, wars, ignorance.

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Re: Evil's War against Religions

Post by Fooloso4 » April 18th, 2017, 11:10 am

Belindi:
Suffering, unendurable pain and loss, wars, ignorance.
Right, evil and reification of evil are two different things.

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Re: Evil's War against Religions

Post by Belindi » April 18th, 2017, 11:12 am

Fooloso4 wrote:Belindi:
Suffering, unendurable pain and loss, wars, ignorance.
Right, evil and reification of evil are two different things.
A very good point, Fooloso4!

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Re: Evil's War against Religions

Post by -0+ » April 18th, 2017, 6:20 pm

Lark_Truth wrote:Question: what sources of suffering are you referring to?
Any individual who experiences suffering can ask: What is the source of this suffering? The suffering can be looked at, examined, and analysed deeply. The source of the suffering can be investigated. Anyone can say what the source of someone else's suffering is, but an authentic examination and investigation of suffering can only be performed by the author of the suffering (the sufferer). What is the full story of this suffering? What does an in-depth investigation of this suffering reveal? The suffering may resist attempts to examine it. Some strength may be needed to try to understand it.

In many cases, the sufferer may be engaged in fighting; participating in some kind of conflict. Something is rejected, not accepted, disliked, or deemed to be wrong or evil. Are there any cases of suffering where the sufferer is not rejecting something?

If a source of suffering can be identified then ending the source may end the suffering. Is a sufferer able to stop fighting and accept that which was rejected?

Desire, or more specifically, attachment to desire, is widely understood to be a common source of suffering. Desiring something to change requires rejection of something that currently exists.

Any source of suffering may have its own deeper source. What is the source of desire and attachment to desire? A deeper investigation may be needed to answer this question.

As deeper sources of suffering are discovered, a sufferer may ask: What is the ultimate source of suffering?

If God is the ultimate source of all things then God must be the ultimate source of suffering. It may not be possible to end suffering without ending God. Any plan that aims to end suffering may be questionable. Suffering may be an essential ingredient of life.

What happens if a sufferer accepts and loves suffering for what it is?

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Re: Evil's War against Religions

Post by Spectrum » April 24th, 2017, 11:54 pm

Belindi wrote:Lark_Truth seems to be unaware of the fact that religion is one of the greatest evils know to man. Moreover religion, unlike earthquakes, is self inflicted by men upon men.
I agree with you on this in general.

The point is there are various degrees of evil potential inherent in each religion. Islam is the most evil, followed by Christianity, then Judaism and the others in that order. However I cannot find any evil elements within Buddhism & Jainism, texts but some Buddhists did commit evil on their own.

While most religions has inherent evil elements, religions are a critical necessity for the majority of humans in the current phase of human life [next 100 years]. The problem is there are no effective alternatives to replace religions at present to deal with its root causes, i.e. the inherent unavoidable existential crisis and dilemma.

The resultants of the more-evil religions are very glaring, i.e. genocides, mass rapes, violence and all sorts of evils manifesting from believers who are inspired verses in their holy texts or merely on their religious impulse.
To reduce the amount of evils from these terrible evil laden religions humanity must go on a war against religions. This effort must not be by force nor suppression, but rather make efforts to find foolproof self-development methods to replace and wean off all religions in their order of evilness within the next 100 years or sooner.

Any "war" to wean off religions from humanity with effective replacements is definitely good for humanity.

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-0+ wrote:If evil can not be objectively measured, then evil may be one of the greatest fantasies that people entertain. What can be factual with regards to evil?
'Evil' like many other abstract elements can be objectified to a practical degree to facilitate positive progress.

Here is one example where evil is objectified to some practical degree.
http://bigthink.com/the-voice-of-big-th ... le-of-evil
Michael Stone's scale of evil refer to murder of another human being.
There had been many research done on the subject of 'evil.'

I define 'evil' as a human act that is net-negative to the well being of the individual and therefrom to humanity.

It is impossible to arrive at absolutely objective evil as with all other things.
However, it is not difficult to get consensus and ratings on the difference between the degree of evil between genocides, mass rapes versus a petty crime, general lying. Then the various types of evil in between the above two extremes can be given various ratings. With a provision for some margins of error, we will be able to produce a hierarchy of evil_ness that can be acceptable [with consensus] to the majority. Such standards are subject to continuous improvements and varying/changing conditions.

If we are to collect data on all evils [objectified and well justified] committed by humans at present and analyzed them one will note religions [especially Islam] are a very significant contributor among other secular factors. The way Islam is going, SOME evil prone Muslims [just as some secular politicians] could exterminate the human species in the future.

Personally I have prepared a 'taxonomy' [subject to improvements] of all known evils.
Not-a-theist. Religion is a critical necessity for humanity now, but not the FUTURE.

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