Can the God be a "Conscious Earth"?
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Can the God be a "Conscious Earth"?
Is it possible? It is open to discussions.
It feels like to me I am holding a globe to talk to the natives that this object is actually a Conscious being. *Laugh* Just a kind of feelings, no offenses.
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Re: Can the God be a "Conscious Earth"?
1) The term God seems to have been beaten into the absolute of all things over time, at least in the Christian tradition of YHVH, so when we use that term we're usually talking about something closer to the Ancient of Days or Brahma rather than a planetary logos of some type.
2) If you think about it human beings are hierarchical structures - ie. colonies of trillions of different types of cells and there seems to be two way communication - both upstream from bodily sensations and downstream from sense-perception and the complex reasoning that we apply to those perceptions which in turn inform our bodies through our nervous systems and endocrine systems. When you consider that all of nature is hierarchies as such it doesn't sound that far fetched that there could be much higher order compilations of faculty and personality than just human dominance pyramids or that all of this may very well, like us, add up to something more than the sum of its parts.
I guess what'll tell us a lot more about this sort of thing is when we get a much better hang of the natural creation of information, what kinds of universal laws there are about information, how information can be passed, etc. etc.. It might pan out, it might not, but I don't necessarily think there's anything strange about the concept. Especially with all the added quantum biology stuff that's jumping out now - the odds of governance moving through things in more interesting manners seems like it would have a mechanism.
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That, much like the tenets set forth in panentheism, all is good and God is in all.
Mind you, this is different than pantheism. Which only posits that God can be found in nature. He is thus, limited to just being nature. Atheists can be Pantheists. I am a pantheist.
But Kabbalah and panentheism go farther....God also exists outside of and beyond nature. Think of God as you and you as a thought in your mind. That's a close approximation.
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Kabbalah has a very simmalar point of view to my own. Regarding the nature of God. Am I in my house or am I in America? Am I in America or am I in space? Am I in our solar system or in our galaxy? Am I in our galaxy or in our Universe? The answer to all these is question is yes. My belief is a photo of God is a photo of all that there is. When it was written by Jews I am the alpha and the omega, and I am him who is called I am, these things say to me this is exactly what God is, the sum total of all that there is.Fire_Monkey wrote:I believe the the religion of Kabbalah actually proposes this very notion.
That, much like the tenets set forth in panentheism, all is good and God is in all.
Mind you, this is different than pantheism. Which only posits that God can be found in nature. He is thus, limited to just being nature. Atheists can be Pantheists. I am a pantheist.
But Kabbalah and panentheism go farther....God also exists outside of and beyond nature. Think of God as you and you as a thought in your mind. That's a close approximation.
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What I do think might be a bit more promising for elucidating an animistic world view is neutral monism, particularly of the open system functionalist variety. If we allow for consciousness to be hierarchical and we don't worry so much about whether information is necessarily playing on neurons for a system to be sentient or even playing with our own data streams from time to time.
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Sure, but S/he doesn't carve rules on a stone tablet or smite people for marrying the wrong other people or lift the righteous out of harm's way -kk23wong wrote:I wonder nobody ever point out that the existence of the God is actually a "Conscious Earth", a life form of a higher level.
Is it possible?
so what use is S/he?
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Because of the smiting.Pages wrote:Why is GOD necessary? Why must God be a thing? Why can't it just be a concept, why is the term so important that it has to be attached to something to make sense?
That was the biggest part of a god's job description, right after making weather, back in the day when gods were deities of something rather than mere abstract ideas.
Nowadays, the god is supposed to take the ineffable part of humanness up into his/her/its bosom/mansion/kingdom/ after the mortal part dies in some praiseworthy manner, such fighting infidels, refusing sex with a duke, or apoplexy while attempting to make beautiful native women ashamed of their breasts.
Everything needs a context in which to make sense. For modern gods, it's the threats, contradiction and dogma.
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-- Updated June 13th, 2017, 4:19 pm to add the following --
Earth is earth, it doesn't have to be conscious just because we wanna fit God in there
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Every adolescent comes up with it independently and thinks nobody else ever has.
It's harmless, but also a dead-end.
The universe is God.
OK. And then... ?
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Well the origin and extent of "consciousness" should not be a dead end for philosophical speculation. It is probably a dead for scientific proof (which deals primarily with physical and measurable empirical aspects of reality) but we directly experience "consciousness", we attribute it to other humans, many attribute it to higher or more complex life forms, and some (panexperientialists) attribute a primitive form to the fundamental units of reality (events in spacetime). To conceive of God without conceiving of some form of divine consciousness, seems to be worship of materialistic physicalism which I would say is not religion at all.Alias wrote:The 'conscious universe' thing gets floated every couple of weeks on one forum or another.
Every adolescent comes up with it independently and thinks nobody else ever has.
It's harmless, but also a dead-end.
The universe is God.
OK. And then... ?
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