One Wish, One Prayer

Discuss philosophical questions regarding theism (and atheism), and discuss religion as it relates to philosophy. This includes any philosophical discussions that happen to be about god, gods, or a 'higher power' or the belief of them. This also generally includes philosophical topics about organized or ritualistic mysticism or about organized, common or ritualistic beliefs in the existence of supernatural phenomenon.
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One Wish, One Prayer

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If God would grant me just one wish, one simple little prayer,
my wish would be to fix this world where I see so much despair.

I see what's wrong with this old world, it's right there in plain sight.
I see what's wrong with everyone, I'm going to set them right.

I talked and talked, sat in and walked, reasoned, begged and pleaded.
I have campaigned and marched, boycotted and protested, and even was arrested.

But, this is such a huge task. There's way too much to do.
And most won't even listen if I make the evening news.

In utter desperation I finally admitted, I cannot fix this world of ours.
But, if I cannot fix this world of ours, what then can I do?

Silently came my answer, like a shadow cross my mind . . .
fix the mini world you live in, every minute of every day.

This one world I can affect, I'm the only one need listen.
I'm the only one I need to convince that there's something here needs fixing.

Who knows, this may catch on? It may start a Revolution.
For, if I fix me, and you fix you, then on and on it goes,
it could lead to a chain reaction that goes around this globe.

One more thought in closing that I want to share with you.
I had a talk with God the other day, and wept at what he said.

With trembling voice and unshed tears, he whispered in my ear:
"If you could grant me just one wish, one simple little prayer,
it would be that I could fix your world where I see so much despair."
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It is a beautiful poem - perhaps it will start a philosophical revolution.
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Woodart–
It is a beautiful poem - perhaps it will start a philosophical revolution.
Thank your for your comment. Although it is a beautiful poem, the more you examine it, the more you understand the profound significance to it.

-- Updated June 21st, 2017, 10:43 pm to add the following --

In other words, the poem can be understood on many different levels.
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Interesting... you say God's intention is to fix the world, if only it weren't for the people who stop Him from doing that.

So much for His omnipotence, I guess.

I figure it's not the Christian god you are talking about, that's for sure. Because the Christian God would be able to fix the world in an instant, if that's what He had wanted to do.
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-1- Interesting...
you say God's intention is to fix the world, if only it weren't for the people who stop Him from doing that.
That is not what I said.

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I figure it's not the Christian god you are talking about, that's for sure. Because the Christian God would be able to fix the world in an instant, if that's what He had wanted to do.
Here again, you figure wrong. You may want to examine your perception.

-- Updated June 22nd, 2017, 2:02 am to add the following --

Trying reading the poem WITHOUT interpreting it. Just read it.
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Huh? WITHOUT interpreting it? If you don't want to hear interpretations don't write anything.

I have one wish ... I wish I didn't want, but I guess I'll get that in death. So I guess I wish to die ... eventually! (note: I'll be pissed if I am still left wanting in the supposed afterlife.

When do we get Camus discussion going? :(
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Burning ghost wrote:
When do we get Camus discussion going? :(

Scott is in charge of that - your guess is as good as mine - if he will show up! :cry:
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Eaglerising wrote: Trying reading the poem WITHOUT interpreting it. Just read it.
Huh? How do I do that? How do I turn off that part of my mind that comprehends, while keep the other part reading, which sees, and accepts ideas?

Please give me an easier, possible task.

-- Updated 2017 June 22nd, 11:51 am to add the following --
Eaglerising wrote:-1- Interesting...
you say God's intention is to fix the world, if only it weren't for the people who stop Him from doing that.
That is not what I said.

Then who said this if not you:

I had a talk with God the other day, and wept at what he said.

With trembling voice and unshed tears, he whispered in my ear:
"If you could grant me just one wish, one simple little prayer,
it would be that I could fix your world where I see so much despair."

Here you quoted god as asking you to grant him one wish, which for him would be to be able to fix the world where he sees so much dispair.

According to this, God is dependent on your answering his prayer. This is not what someone else wrote, this is what you wrote.


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I figure it's not the Christian god you are talking about, that's for sure. Because the Christian God would be able to fix the world in an instant, if that's what He had wanted to do.
Here again, you figure wrong. You may want to examine your perception.

I don't like being called wrong without being shown how I was wrong. It has been known on these forum pages that I do admit being wrong when I am proven that. But here you don't even attempt a proof. You just declared I am wrong. Well THAT is wrong. Please show me where I was wrong.

-- Updated June 22nd, 2017, 2:02 am to add the following --

Trying reading the poem WITHOUT interpreting it. Just read it.
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-1- I didn't mean to up set you when I said just read the poem without interpreting it. You may not be consciously aware of it, but when you interpret it, you change the meaning of it. You make what is into what is not. If you read the poem you see the "Knower" knows what is wrong with with world. The "knower" admits he or she cannot fix the world because it is to huge a task. Then the "knower" receives some insight. Just fix yourself. In other words, be the change you want to see in the world. God responds saying that he cannot fix the world. Contained in the poem is the reason God cannot fix the world, as well as who can,.

-- Updated June 22nd, 2017, 3:10 pm to add the following --

If you interpret everything you see, you really do not SEE, because you are only seeing your interpretation of it, which is different from what can be seen.
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[quote="Eaglerising"

If you interpret everything you see, you really do not SEE, because you are only seeing your interpretation of it, which is different from what can be seen.[/quote]


I disagree, the artists paints a picture - how I interpret it is my domain.
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Woodart –
I disagree, the artists paints a picture - how I interpret it is my domain.
Yes, it is your domain but it isn't what was painted. Your interpretation changed what the artist painted. How can you understand that which you cannot see?
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Eaglerising wrote:Woodart –
I disagree, the artists paints a picture - how I interpret it is my domain.
Yes, it is your domain but it isn't what was painted. Your interpretation changed what the artist painted. How can you understand that which you cannot see?

I don't care what was painted - I see what I want.
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Woodart –
I don't care what was painted - I see what I want.
That is exactly my point, you see what you want to see and think it is seeing, which it is not. How do you effectively deal with things if you are always changing them to something you want to see as opposed to what is?
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Eaglerising, maybe I did see and understand what you wrote, but what you wrote is not what you'd meant to write?

You reiterate your stance, for instance: " God responds saying that he cannot fix the world." That's exactly what I said you had said. Now you deny I understand your poem, while you insist that my interpretation is actually correct.

If God can't fix the world, then he is not omnipotent. If he is not omnipotent, he is not the Christian god. That is so because the Christian god IS omnipotent. Are you saying I am not saying the truth according to the Christian Bible? That's all I said. You insist I am wrong.

Well, I am not.

What happened, instead of my getting it wrong, you got yourself into a contradiction that is irreconcilable with your faith, and you are trying to smoothe it over by insisting I am wrong.

Yet in every turn you say the same things I said and reasoned.

This is not fair.

"You may not be consciously aware of it, but when you interpret it, you change the meaning of it." This is what I meant. The poem is not all that complex. God says he can't fix the world, and prays to you to help him or to do it for him. I say that's not the position of an omnipotent god. You say I got it wrong. You make me into a scapegoat to smoothe over your own philosophical and theological contradiction.

Well, I, for one, refuse to be that scapegoat. Man it up, Eaglerising, and don't blame me for your own mistake.
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You reiterate your stance, for instance: " God responds saying that he cannot fix the world." That's exactly what I said you had said. Now you deny I understand your poem, while you insist that my interpretation is actually correct.
Yes, that is exactly what I said. There is no disagreement with that. What I was disagreeing with you is why he cannot fix the world. It doesn’t matter if he is a Christian God or a non-Christian God. Religion has nothing to do with why God cannot fix the world where there is so much despair.

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What happened, instead of my getting it wrong, you got yourself into a contradiction that is irreconcilable with your faith, and you are trying to smoothe it over by insisting I am wrong. This is not fair.

"You may not be consciously aware of it, but when you interpret it, you change the meaning of it." This is what I meant. The poem is not all that complex. God says he can't fix the world, and prays to you to help him or to do it for him. I say that's not the position of an omnipotent god. You say I got it wrong. You make me into a scapegoat to smoothe over your own philosophical and theological contradiction.
We can only fix that which we created. God didn’t create the violence, sorrow, and despair that is in the world today. Man created it. Therefore, man is responsible for correcting it. And you begin correcting it by fixing yourself – being the change you want to see in the world.

We are responsible for your thoughts and actions, not God or some other entity.
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