Burning ghost wrote:Do I have to be a theist to counter this?
Anyway, you cannot present the idea of "absolute", from which we have made huge scientific leaps, and then deny it as being of no empirical use. Quite often completely abstract mathematical ideas fall effortlessly into place and help us understand the world in an empirical sense.
The entire universe may function under one simple principle that can be reduced to a mathematical equation. It also may not. We don't know, therefore you're making an assumption about how the universe works.
I am guessing you are referring to Kant's dialectical argumentation in some way in order to come up with this?
As I had presented above, there are two types of 'perfection' i.e. 'relative' and 'absolute'.
Relatively one can achieve a 'perfect' score of 100 marks in an objective test, but that is a relative perfect as conditioned to the questions raised by humans.
We also have two types of absolute, i.e. relative absolute and absolutely absolute.
We have 'relative absolute' temperature in Science, but this is a man-made standard.
Other relative absolutes are absolute monarchy, absolute power, and the likes.
The absolutely-absolute is general attributable to God and stated in capital A, i.e. Absolute.
As I had raised the point, show me a perfect circle [reason, theory] in empirical reality. Can you even draw one?
You may draw one on paper in accordance to measurements [humanly accepted ones] but if you to magnify that drawn circle 10,000 times you will find a very irregular line. There is no perfect circle in this case.
1 + 1 = 2 is perfect mathematically but there is no absolute 1 + 1 = 2 in empirical reality, If you add one apple with another apple, you get two apples but both apples are never the same. One drop of water plus one drop of water equal one bigger drop of water.
There is no way absolute perfection can exists in empirical reality.
Since God must be absolutely perfect [exists in theory only] it is an impossibility in reality.
God is only made possible in theory for psychological sake to deal with an existential dilemma driven by "zombie parasites."
Yes, I am relying on principles propounded by Kant, but he did not use the concept of perfection in his argument.
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[b]Dark Matter[/b] wrote:
Absolute perfection is an impossibility in the empirical, thus exist only theoretically.
The latter does not logically follow from the former.
Your point has no basis/argument at all.
I have explained in details how absolute perfection cannot exist in the empirical except only as an ideal [reasoned thought].
Not-a-theist. Religion is a critical necessity for humanity now, but not the FUTURE.