Spiritual versus Religious
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I live in the same place where artist J.M.W. Turner worked and claimed had the best sunsets/sunrises in the world. Although I don't think he'd done an exhaustive survey, and the spectacular sunsets of the time were largely due to the 1816 eruption of Mount Tambora in Indonesia, which presumably made them a phenomenon that wasn't just confined to the south east coast of England.
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If somebody claimed to be a world expert on the Dunning–Kruger Effect, such that we conclude that they are suffering from the Dunning–Kruger Effect, I suppose we could ask them for a prognosis on themselves. If they conclude that they are indeed suffering from it, then they must actually have some knowledge of it, so they can't be suffering from it. If they conclude that they aren't suffering from it, then they clearly know nothing, so must be suffering from it.The Dunning–Kruger Effect is a cognitive bias wherein relatively unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it is.
Is that a genuine paradox or just a vain attempt at clever-dickery?
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If the somebody had the background of knowledge and misdiagnosed their peers would suspect that they lacked insight. What's lacking from your paradox is whether or not the somebody retains insight into their own circumstances. If the proclaimed expert being truly knowledgeable also retains insight then whatever she diagnoses will probably be right.
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What I see most prevalent re the "Dunning–Kruger Effect" are from theists who displayed arrogance and superiority over non-believers:Dark Matter wrote: ↑March 13th, 2018, 12:55 amOh, jeez. Give it a rest, Spectrum. Seeing the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action is tiresome at best. (The Dunning–Kruger Effect is a cognitive bias wherein relatively unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it is.)Spectrum wrote: ↑March 13th, 2018, 12:36 am Note my thread re DMT.
http://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/ ... =4&t=15451
Perhaps there was a sudden surge of DMT in you.
If you want a repeat of such experiences try Ayahuasca [has DMT and is non addictive].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca
[The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Psalm 14:1].
Worst, this arrogance is merely based on faith.
So far what I have presented is based on evidence and arguments based on reason and is open for discussion.
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Sorry, but I did not experience any of the things you listed, prior to the experience that I described.
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Why are you sorry?Metathought wrote: ↑March 14th, 2018, 9:39 pm Burning ghost
Sorry, but I did not experience any of the things you listed, prior to the experience that I described.
To what do you attribute your ecstasy? Are you seeking suggestions or theories about ecstatic states?
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I must say that I am somewhat taken aback by your remark.Why are you sorry?
My comment re being sorry was simply a matter of politeness.
Perhaps the answer lies in an earlier statement by Greta:To what do you attribute your ecstasy?
“...I see secular spirituality as just just paying attention to reality closely enough to have an emotional reaction to our existential situation - which is completely mind-bending when you really stop to think about it.”
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Philosophers take it for granted that you are responsible for making a claim. I doubt if any philosopher would be offended simply because you disagreed. I am aware that in everyday conversations some people do lard their conversations with 'sorry' and here too it's usually unnecessary and is sometimes sarcastic.I must say that I am somewhat taken aback by your remark.
My comment re being sorry was simply a matter of politeness.
You liked Greta's comment:
I like it too. I'd call it a feeling of awe.“...I see secular spirituality as just just paying attention to reality closely enough to have an emotional reaction to our existential situation - which is completely mind-bending when you really stop to think about it.”
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